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Old 04-07-2011, 02:24 PM
 
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Why don't you people start doing something about all this?

It doesn't take much, just go out and vote NO on the school budget. Please kept ignoring and letting it go and this is where the budget ended up.

Once there are no increases to the budget, they will learn to do more with less.
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:27 PM
 
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Why don't you people start doing something about all this?

It doesn't take much, just go out and vote NO on the school budget. Please kept ignoring and letting it go and this is where the budget ended up.

Once there are no increases to the budget, they will learn to do more with less.
that sounds nice but in reality most districts simply offer to do less for the same pay.
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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Why don't you people start doing something about all this?

It doesn't take much, just go out and vote NO on the school budget. Please kept ignoring and letting it go and this is where the budget ended up.

Once there are no increases to the budget, they will learn to do more with less.
That's a good start, but only a start.

Did you know that the backroom deals that cost us the most (teachers, superintendants and administrators raises, benefits, pensions, etc.) have already been done and cannot be voted upon by the taxpayers at budget vote time? They get the meat of the money (65%-75%) in the budget and what is left, which is for "the children," is voted on by the taxpayers. So naturally the budget vote always has gaping holes when it comes to the kids and threats of discontinuing programs, etc., to guilt the taxpayers into voting "yes." It is because the kids, who are the whole reason for the schools in the first place, only rate the scraps of the money. This is all a direct result of public sector unions being in charge of the labor. Their members get the vast bulk of the money, the rest of the things that make up a school can rot as far as they are concerned.
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:31 PM
 
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The whole point of it being , once the schools don't get what they wish it'll be a bad period of time but the next year they will adopt when they see there is enough public voice and they have no other options.
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:31 PM
 
Location: East Northport
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I think what people are upset about is that unions don't belong in certain areas. They should not be in anything related to the public sector which is paid for by the taxpayers and where they can gain undue influence on both sides of the bargaining table by getting into bed with politicians to the detriment of the people who have to foot the bill for it all: the taxpayers. Just take a look at the breaking story of Steve Levy's downfall and the big list of the unions and their members that contributed bushels of money to his campaign fund and were rewarded with the contracts on the new jail in Suffolk.
Yes, but the vitriol on this board appears personalized. You can't blame individual teachers for taking what they can get.
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:32 PM
 
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Vote "no" on the school budget?

You mean the vote that they hold in the local elementary school, where all the little kiddies and retired teachers staffing the polling booths give you the evil eyeballs for showing up on THEIR election? You mean the vote that they hold in the middle of the work week, and the vote that if doesn't go the unions way is immediately re-voted upon after a weeks long scare "you are not for the children" "we will take away the yellow school bus" scare campaign?
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:32 PM
 
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That's a good start, but only a start.

Did you know that the backroom deals that cost us the most (teachers, superintendants and administrators raises, benefits, pensions, etc.) have already been done and cannot be voted upon by the taxpayers at budget vote time? They get the meat of the money (65%-75%) in the budget and what is left, which is for "the children," is voted on by the taxpayers. So naturally the budget vote always has gaping holes when it comes to the kids and threats of discontinuing programs, etc., to guilt the taxpayers into voting "yes." It is because the kids, who are the whole reason for the schools in the first place, only rate the scraps of the money. This is all a direct result of public sector unions being in charge of the labor. Their members get the vast bulk of the money, the rest of the things that make up a school can rot as far as they are concerned.

people need to put a stop to it or at least stop it from getting worse. It just doesn't make sense when everyone is complaining, but they still go and pass the school budget.
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:33 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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Yes, but the vitriol on this board appears personalized. You can't blame individual teachers for taking what they can get.
I am upset at the system. The system needs to change.
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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people need to put a stop to it or at least stop it from getting worse. It just doesn't make sense when everyone is complaining, but they still go and pass the school budget.
Very true. But a lot of the real reasons our property taxes are so high have been kept under wraps. Look how Mangano got voted in as CE. Because people blamed Suozzi for high property taxes. Meanwhile, Nassau has no control whatsoever over 70% of our property taxes ... it's all money taken by the individual school districts, not Nassau. More and more people are learning the truth and they better start voting different and also PAY ATTENTION to the School Board elections and get members on there who will vote and make decisions in the best interests of the taxpayers instead of the teachers' union and the superintendants and administrators.
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Old 04-07-2011, 02:40 PM
 
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No one would care what we pay teachers if the rest of the American middle class wages rose in accordance.
I know it chaps every teabaggers ass about what were spending, anyone else care to weigh in on what were earning?
Sounds like your engineer friend is underpaid like the rest of us 98 Percenters.
Bottom line. Levittown needs a raise and East Hampton needs to pony up quick or the Country is going to fail. I'm done with hating the Cops for making 180k or the Teachers either making 6 figures for 9 months work.Maybe they were smart enough to organize while the rest of us took it in the pooper and the top 2% ran away with our dreams due to tax code that puts dividends before labor. WTF is wrong with us. I often think of Levittown as the birth of the American Dream. Good God have we failed us. The bottom line is that since Bonzo busted the unions in 80 the Middle Class has been on a greased pole to hell ever since. Look at this dump. The wealthy and the woeful and the indifference that binds.

Lazy money...Epic fail.

Crooks
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