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Old 06-24-2011, 09:36 PM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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No, the school did not introduce homosexual relations into Kindergarden, it was a kids book telling how families were all different (also mentioning things about some being raised by grandparents, interracial couples, etc), that is actually what the book in question was about and Parker objected.

Putting that aside, glad to see this pass, a sad display by Long Island Senators, but fortunately it didn't come down to them.

The book, King and King, has a photo in it depicting two adult males kissing in a romantic fashion. That is one of the reasons numerous people had taken exception to it and wanted to have the ability to opt out. One argument was that it was introducing a facet of sex ed within the school -- and parents have the right to opt out of that.

It has been a very long time, but I don't recall learning about marriage or different families in elementary school -- this was after Stonewall, after the Equal Rights movement, after women burned their bras and went out in the workplace. I had friends whose parents were getting divorced, knew one whose dad stepped out of the closet. Despite the social tempest in our nation -- we learned the 3R's in school. Relationships wasn't one of them.

Like you, I am happy for the GLBT community. I hope they are shown the respect they deserve, and that the state doesn't mandate anything which should be the right of the parent to discuss with their child.
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Old 06-24-2011, 09:41 PM
 
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Strange priorities. Our economy in NY sucks, they can't pass a tax cap, our state was named the most restrictive in the US, traffic is absurd downstate, we have rampant crime, we have illegals standing on street corners, but yeah lets pass a gay marraige bill.
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Old 06-24-2011, 09:43 PM
 
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Not sure how old you are but those "different" families didn't exist only a couple of decades ago, mostly because gays were considered abnormal and openly shunned if not arrested on sodomy charges. It's really only in the last ten years, if not less, that tolerance is being preached, and then, only in the more progressive states. We have a LONG way to go. Read the St. Anthony's lesbian prom thread if you think otherwise.
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Old 06-24-2011, 09:44 PM
 
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They have the right to define what constitutes a legally binding marriage under state law. Whatever you want to call what happens when you look up at the sky and mumble is up to you.
LOL...That's witty
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Old 06-24-2011, 09:44 PM
 
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Strange priorities. Our economy in NY sucks, they can't pass a tax cap, our state was named the most restrictive in the US, traffic is absurd downstate, we have rampant crime, we have illegals standing on street corners, but yeah lets pass a gay marraige bill.
Laws granting equality should be the easiest to pass.
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Old 06-24-2011, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Jeebus. The economy falling apart but we're spending time on this.
I'm gay and I think our legislators have better things to do besides earning brownie points for the next election.
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Old 06-24-2011, 09:45 PM
 
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Strange priorities. Our economy in NY sucks, they can't pass a tax cap, our state was named the most restrictive in the US, traffic is absurd downstate, we have rampant crime, we have illegals standing on street corners, but yeah lets pass a gay marraige bill.
You have YOUR priorities....They have THEIRS
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Old 06-24-2011, 09:46 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Strange priorities. Our economy in NY sucks, they can't pass a tax cap, our state was named the most restrictive in the US, traffic is absurd downstate, we have rampant crime, we have illegals standing on street corners, but yeah lets pass a gay marraige bill.
A tax cap was passed. Crime isn't rampant, and is lower than many other portions of the country, of course traffic is going to be an absurd in an area this densely populated. The group that said our state was the most restrictive thinks things like regulations against the amount of arsenic in drinking water is restrictive (they lobbied against it), and is connecting to Koch.
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Old 06-24-2011, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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The book, King and King, has a photo in it depicting two adult males kissing in a romantic fashion. That is one of the reasons numerous people had taken exception to it and wanted to have the ability to opt out. One argument was that it was introducing a facet of sex ed within the school -- and parents have the right to opt out of that.

It has been a very long time, but I don't recall learning about marriage or different families in elementary school -- this was after Stonewall, after the Equal Rights movement, after women burned their bras and went out in the workplace. I had friends whose parents were getting divorced, knew one whose dad stepped out of the closet. Despite the social tempest in our nation -- we learned the 3R's in school. Relationships wasn't one of them.

Like you, I am happy for the GLBT community. I hope they are shown the respect they deserve, and that the state doesn't mandate anything which should be the right of the parent to discuss with their child.
King and King came after that whole situation started, and it was not to those in Kindergarden.
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Old 06-24-2011, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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Not sure how old you are but those "different" families didn't exist only a couple of decades ago, mostly because gays were considered abnormal and openly shunned if not arrested on sodomy charges. It's really only in the last ten years, if not less, that tolerance is being preached, and then, only in the more progressive states. We have a LONG way to go. Read the St. Anthony's lesbian prom thread if you think otherwise.
Living in a liberal area I have seen tolerance for the 15-16 years I am here. As a college student out here 30 years ago -- same thing. Even growing up, there was a number of people from my dad's precinct who would come to BBQs and hang out on holidays. One guy, a civilian, was openly gay and had an effeminate manner about him. I was not quite a teen when I first met him -- I loved him; he was truly a great guy. He died of AIDS in the mid 80's. Such a waste of a good person.
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