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Old 06-29-2011, 07:44 PM
 
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you got it backwards. Get some actual productive members of society living in Hempstead and the schools/students will eventually take on the characteristics of its residents.

You could take the whole Jericho school district's administration, every teacher, and even every building....plop it down in Hempstead....and it wouldn't make any difference there.
You have to make them want to move there!

Highly paid/influential people won't just magically decide to move to one of the worst communities in NY overnight.
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Old 06-29-2011, 07:45 PM
 
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Look at other LI communities on Long Island considered to be on an "up-swing" such as Bay Shore; they all started with the School District.
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Old 06-29-2011, 07:47 PM
 
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You have to make them want to move there!

Highly paid/influential people won't just magically decide to move to one of the worst communities in NY overnight.
and the children of lowlifes, crackheads, and hood rats won't start hitting the books overnight either.
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Old 06-29-2011, 07:49 PM
 
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Look at other LI communities on Long Island considered to be on an "up-swing" such as Bay Shore; they all started with the School District.
what data are you basing this on?

Frankly, Bay Shore's "resurgence" is a bit of a sham IMO. Main St. looks better but that's about it. The areas that weren't that nice 15 years ago still aren't very nice.
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Old 06-29-2011, 07:59 PM
 
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what data are you basing this on?

Frankly, Bay Shore's "resurgence" is a bit of a sham IMO. Main St. looks better but that's about it. The areas that weren't that nice 15 years ago still aren't very nice.
I wasn't basing it on any data, I said Bay Shore is considered to be on an up-swing by many people, not only most people that I have known in real life but people on this forum (there was actually a thread not too long ago on here where Bay Shore was listed as one of these communities by several people).

But now that you bring it up, here is some data. Bay Shore has seen gradual improvement in it's graduation rate. See here;Graduation rate for LI school districts
There has also been an increase in Bay Shore's median household income[most areas], while comparable areas such as [most of] Brentwood and Central Islip have seen steady declines. That is a sign that the middle class is increasing in the area and more respectable people are moving in. Here is where I got my stats;
Mapping America ? Census Bureau 2005-9 American Community Survey - NYTimes.com
[click on view more maps; than income; than median household income]

But Bay Shore is in transition so of course it wouldn't look picturesque overnight.
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Old 06-29-2011, 08:05 PM
 
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and the children of lowlifes, crackheads, and hood rats won't start hitting the books overnight either.
That's true also. That's why I said, figuratively speaking, IF there were to be an improvement in [most of] the students value of education and [most of] the parents were more involved in their children's academic-life than there would be hope for the Hempstead community and positive changes will come. Key word: "IF".

In all honesty, is that very likely? Probably not, but it is still possible.

But the children of "lowlifes, crackheads, and hoodrats" are capable of succeeding when they would try. Here is an article about a 13 year old Bronx girl from a lower-income community graduating and being accepted into a prestigious University;
Move over, Doogie Howser, 13-year-old Bronx girl heading to college - New York Daily News
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Old 06-29-2011, 08:47 PM
 
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THE BACKBONE OF A TOWN IS IT'S SCHOOL DISTRICT. If it's School District is under-performing than so is the town: period. So if the Village of Hempstead, the Parents of the students and the Students decide to fix the School District (it's a 3-way effort) than EVERYTHING ELSE will gradually improve. Until then, things will remain crappy.

School District fixed → Town becomes more desirable → Middle Class move back → Money back into once cash-poor area → More money for Local Government (in form of taxes) → Better services(including law enforcement) → Improved quality of life in town
This is missing something.

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Old 06-30-2011, 06:50 AM
 
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The problem with a place like Hempstead is that the real estate and taxes are so high that who wants to take a chance, when you can pay only a little bit more and live somewhere already established as "nice", walk the streets at night and send your kids to the public school.

I used to work with a guy in the early 90s who bought a house in Bay Shore and paid less than $150K for it. That's a little different than paying twice that much and outrageous taxes for a place like Hempstead.
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Old 06-30-2011, 09:07 AM
 
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Hempstead is just another American community at the forefront of the impending collapse. What you're seeing there will soon be the reality for much of the country.

Americans seem unable to grasp the magnitude of the challenges that face us. Despite the hyped talk of China's rise, most Americans operate on the assumption that the U.S. is still No. 1. It's not true.

According to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), our 15-year-olds rank 17th in the world in science and 25th in math. We rank 12th among developed countries in college graduation (down from No. 1 for decades). We come in 79th in elementary-school enrollment.
Our infrastructure is ranked 23rd in the world, well behind that of every other major advanced economy.

American health numbers are stunning for a rich country: based on studies by the OECD and the World Health Organization, we're 27th in life expectancy, 18th in diabetes and first in obesity. Only a few decades ago, the U.S. stood tall in such rankings. No more.

A crucial aspect of beginning to turn things around would be for the U.S. to make an honest accounting of where it stands and what it can learn from other countries. This kind of benchmarking is common among businesses but is sacrilege for the country as a whole. Any politician who dares suggest that the U.S. can learn from - let alone copy - other countries is likely to be denounced instantly. If someone points out that Europe gets better health care at half the cost, that's dangerously socialist thinking.

If a commentator says - correctly - that social mobility from one generation to the next is greater in many European nations than in the U.S., he is laughed at. Yet several studies, the most recent from the OECD last year, have found that the average American has a much lower chance of moving out of his parents' income bracket than do people in places like Denmark, Sweden, Germany and Canada. You hear that? America actually ranks low on the ability to achieve the American Dream.

"GRRR I"M STEAMING MAD, GONNA VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN"
Next Election:
"GRRR MY BLOOD'S AT A BOIL, I HAVE TO VOTE DEMOCRAT!"

Both parties are incumbent, corporate organizations. They both have to be voted out of office and thrown on the street. Until then we're just going to see this "I know what you REALLY want!" see-saw game.
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Old 06-30-2011, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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Both parties are incumbent, corporate organizations. They both have to be voted out of office and thrown on the street. Until then we're just going to see this "I know what you REALLY want!" see-saw game.
That's why I call them the Republicrats ... both sides of the same coin. They are essentially the same party and whoever is in office, Democrat or Republican, it doesn't matter, is supposed to make sure the corporations win, not the people, because we are now a corpocracy (gov't for the corporations), not a democracy (gov't for the people). Allowing gangs and illegal aliens to run wild as they do in Hempstead is just par for the course of weakening the American middle class society.
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