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But illegals do pay taxes. Though those guys in front of Home Depot are off the books, the majority, who are employed in agriculture/farming/meat processing, are working on the books with phony ID and SS numbers. These people pay FICA at the very least (even though they're never going to collect SS or Medicare benefits) and possibly income taxes as well if they are W2 employees with phony ID.
All pay sales taxes and many other kinds of taxes, use fees, etc. They may own property and pay property taxes, or else their rent goes to a landlord that pays property taxes.
Yes, they're likely paying less, and I'm not discounting the problem entirely, but it's not nearly as big a deal as you're making it sound.
So all those landscapers and people that contractors pick up are all paying income tax? I don't think so.
We all pay sales tax, I don't care about that. I am saying that I don't want to pay income tax anymore, if they don't have to pay then I don't have to pay, then you don't have to pay...hell everyone stop paying.
it's not important to be legal and follow the laws... speed, drink and drive, murder people...don't pay taxes...who cares... screw it...chaos.
I agree.Albeit a blunt instrument, its the only way to separate the racists from the true fiscal Conservatives.
Tough to ***** about the brown people when they're paying the same tax as you.
Can you imagine the average Yacht/Private Jet/Beach House tax for our "Job Creators" lol.
I'm all in for a Consumption tax.Tax me on what I spend and not on what I earn, invest or save.
I think a Flat tax would have way more unforeseen consequences and usual big dollar Accountant gamesmanship.
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I read the other day in The Globalist that the top 10% of American earners account for 50% of all consumer spending in ths country.
So all those landscapers and people that contractors pick up are all paying income tax? I don't think so.
Not all, and probably less of that particular subset of illegals, but there are some 10-12 million of them, and they're not all cutting lawns in Levittown. Most are working with phony ID in construction and agriculture, and thus are having taxes taken out of their checks.
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We all pay sales tax, I don't care about that. I am saying that I don't want to pay income tax anymore, if they don't have to pay then I don't have to pay, then you don't have to pay...hell everyone stop paying.
it's not important to be legal and follow the laws... speed, drink and drive, murder people...don't pay taxes...who cares... screw it...chaos.
Being a member of a poor underclass does have some benefits. For some reason, though, most people find that the tradeoff just isn't worth it.
Not all, and probably less of that particular subset of illegals, but there are some 10-12 million of them, and they're not all cutting lawns in Levittown. Most are working with phony ID in construction and agriculture, and thus are having taxes taken out of their checks.Being a member of a poor underclass does have some benefits. For some reason, though, most people find that the tradeoff just isn't worth it.
That's a crock of sh* t if u really believe that. 9 out of 10 work off the books, cash only. The other small percentage that are on the books probably claim 4 exemptions, EITC, and likely receive a nice fat refund back..... on top of free Medicaid, foodstamps and WIC.
That's a crock of sh* t if u really believe that. 9 out of 10 work off the books, cash only. The other small percentage that are on the books probably claim 4 exemptions, EITC, and likely receive a nice fat refund back..... on top of free Medicaid, foodstamps and WIC.
You know what's the most interesting part of this whole thing. I have not heard anyone go in on the rich wives hiring nannies, the landscaper hiring illegals to work and keep the profit for himself, the construction company owner hiring illegals and charging a fortune for a job again keeping the profit for himself. We are going hard on the non tax paying illegals who by their very nature goes against everything America stands for but what about he American down the block from you or in big business that's hiring these illegals instead of a good old American worker and cheating on their taxes. Where are the calls to jail them, shame them or what ever else we want to do to the illegals.
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You know what's the most interesting part of this whole thing. I have not heard anyone go in on the rich wives hiring nannies, the landscaper hiring illegals to work and keep the profit for him self, the construction company owner hiring illegals and charging a fortune for a job again keeping the profit for him self. We are going hard on the non tax paying illegals who by their very nature goes against everything America stands fro but what about he American down the block from you or in big business that's hiring these illegals instead of a good old American worker and cheating on their taxes. Where are the calls to jail them, shame them or what ever else we want to do to the illegals.
I support that! The penalties should be much larger for them!
Alternatively, we can make it easier to become a legal citizen. For the average person, it's nearly impossible right now:
There's a reason it's difficult to become a legal citizen....we have PLENTY of them. Native born citizens and legal immigrants cover our needed skill sets ranging from manual labor to the boardroom.
Illegal immigration is great for politics. It gives the utterly self-interested corporate ownership class on the right cheap labor "greater economic good be damned" {too much self interest}. On the left, it gives the stereotypical "concerned white people" a human rights cause to champion, "greater economic good be damned" {too little self interest}.
I tire of the "jobs Americans do not want to do" argument. Of course they don't want to or can't do them. Many of the food service businesses in my town (Floral Park) use illegal help, mostly Latino, but the odd Asian here or there. They all look to be in their late 20's or older. From a friend who has worked alongside them, I've had confirmed what is generally (correctly) assumed. Pay day is settled with cash. Illegal help often is underpaid. Health code/sanitary violations abound. The owner cheats on taxes. Hours are exceptionally long.
What needy American can or should take a minimum wage less 30% job for 10 hours a day 6 or 7 days per week? All while working in conditions that decades of labor activists and government bureaucrats have deemed hazardous at worst and undignified at best. Should a teenager's first impression of working in the "greatest country in the world (tm)" be one where the law is worthless and rights are disregarded? Do we need these extra workers when unemployment is 9.5% (God knows what before Federal doctoring)?
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