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Old 08-18-2011, 10:36 AM
 
Location: East Northport
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So theoretically I could post a stop sign on a street and people would HAVE to stop? Sounds fishy. I'd like to see the VTL section for that.
I wasn't talking about legality. I was talking about common sense. If a commercial vehicle is asking you to stop, it's usually safest to do so. If a school bus (or camp bus) has it's stop sign out and you go around, I'm sure that the parents of the child you might kill would appreciate the distinction. Long Islander's need to exercise a little more caution and courtesy on the road and stop being so anxious to get wherever they are going a few seconds sooner.
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Old 08-18-2011, 10:40 AM
 
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I wasn't talking about legality. I was talking about common sense. If a commercial vehicle is asking you to stop, it's usually safest to do so. If a school bus (or camp bus) has it's stop sign out and you go around, I'm sure that the parents of the child you might kill would appreciate the distinction. Long Islander's need to exercise a little more caution and courtesy on the road and stop being so anxious to get wherever they are going a few seconds sooner.
Well obviously I stop. I never said I didn't, I just find it stupid that they can hold up traffic without any problems.

And hey I'm the one telling people to slow down on the LIE and being berated for it.
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Old 08-18-2011, 10:44 AM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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This morning I was late for work and had to stop a half dozen times for small yellow buses , most of which had names of (expensive) day camps on the side windows. In almost every case , the driver pulls up in front of a home, puts the flashing lights on, and sits there until Caden's mom/dad/nanny decides it's time to get the kid on the bus.
In once instance, a parent struck up a long conversation with the driver, while the lights flashed away and two dozen cars piled up in both directions. After a few minutes of this, the driver in the car diagonally opposite the bus (that would be me) politely asked the driver to end the conversation, as she was making approximately fifty people late for work.
Of course I know we should stop for school buses, but why should anyone's commute be delayed for a camp bus ? Is the driver required to flash the lights when the kid is most likely still eating breakfast and is nowhere in sight ? Do the traffic laws of NY State require us to stop for a bus that is clearly not on school business (I have not read the manual in many years)...
Apologies for venting.
Because it's got kids on it the same as a school bus.
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Old 08-18-2011, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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So theoretically I could post a stop sign on a street and people would HAVE to stop? Sounds fishy. I'd like to see the VTL section for that.
If that were the case, I think you should make signs that say "NO WALKING IN THE STREET! USE SIDEWALK!" and post them all over your area!
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Old 08-18-2011, 10:56 AM
 
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If that were the case, I think you should make signs that say "NO WALKING IN THE STREET! USE SIDEWALK!" and post them all over your area!
HAHA nice.
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Old 08-18-2011, 08:12 PM
 
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Many camps and schools do not have their own fleet of buses, but rather contract them from a commercial company such as Suburban, Independent, Veteran's, etc. The same laws apply whether the bus holds students or campers. Generally, it is not the driver's fault if the parent is chit-chatting away. They are expected to stay on schedule and they are not happy when parents hold them up, nor are the other campers on the bus who are waiting to get home. Mini-school buses are used for door-to-door service, while the large ones generally pick up children from a central location. Also, keep in mind that special ed students get special accomodations, including door-to-door service, while attending a mainstream program at a school or camp. In addition, the driver has to wait for the parent to come to the door or come outside before the child can be dropped off at the end of the day. That can also cause delays. Just give yourself some extra time in the morning or the late afternoon.
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Old 08-18-2011, 08:33 PM
 
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Many camps and schools do not have their own fleet of buses, but rather contract them from a commercial company such as Suburban, Independent, Veteran's, etc. The same laws apply whether the bus holds students or campers. Generally, it is not the driver's fault if the parent is chit-chatting away. They are expected to stay on schedule and they are not happy when parents hold them up, nor are the other campers on the bus who are waiting to get home. Mini-school buses are used for door-to-door service, while the large ones generally pick up children from a central location. Also, keep in mind that special ed students get special accomodations, including door-to-door service, while attending a mainstream program at a school or camp. In addition, the driver has to wait for the parent to come to the door or come outside before the child can be dropped off at the end of the day. That can also cause delays. Just give yourself some extra time in the morning or the late afternoon.
I've actually only seen the larger buses drop off students during the year on my way to work. In regards to my previous post about the necessity for buses to make individual stops at houses, especially on larger/busy roadways...I just wonder if there is a better way or some kind of solution that makes everyone happy.
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Old 08-18-2011, 09:02 PM
 
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Many camps and schools do not have their own fleet of buses, but rather contract them from a commercial company such as Suburban, Independent, Veteran's, etc. The same laws apply whether the bus holds students or campers. Generally, it is not the driver's fault if the parent is chit-chatting away. They are expected to stay on schedule and they are not happy when parents hold them up, nor are the other campers on the bus who are waiting to get home. Mini-school buses are used for door-to-door service, while the large ones generally pick up children from a central location. Also, keep in mind that special ed students get special accomodations, including door-to-door service, while attending a mainstream program at a school or camp. In addition, the driver has to wait for the parent to come to the door or come outside before the child can be dropped off at the end of the day. That can also cause delays. Just give yourself some extra time in the morning or the late afternoon.
I hear you , Coney, but do not understand the sense of entitlement some parents have today. I know they are paying $4000 to farm their kids off to summer camp but at least make sure they are ready !
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Old 08-18-2011, 09:12 PM
 
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Because it's got kids on it the same as a school bus.

I think that's true & when you think about it, it should be true. There are still someone's children involved. I even believe that there was once a movement to have people have to stop for ice cream trucks (but that did not pass).
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Old 08-18-2011, 09:47 PM
 
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in my day, the bus hardly came to a standstill before 5 kids had to jump on at the stop.
Yep, and today the bus waits for the kid to appear , then waits again as the kid drags him/herself down the driveway.
Great way to teach them responsibility.
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