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Old 08-23-2007, 06:14 AM
 
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It seems to me that Wealthy Long Island is completely asleep to the challenges of living on LI today.

You know starting out, raising a family, paying for college etc.
(You would think living here's a cakewalk reading some of these other boards)

When 100k buys 3% of our affordable housing....the great divide on LI has never been greater. In my 30+ years of living here, Ive never seen the Middle Class angrier or having less.

What do you have to look forward to?
You pay off your home and youre still saddled with over 1k a month in taxes?
It's just wrong.

I'm sure there are more than a few Bootstrapin' Limbaugh Long Islanders on this board who will completely disagree.

To them I say...sleep well Mr Gatsby, for tomorrow we'll be a ghetto.
Remember, without Levittown theres no Muttontown and as LI goes, so goes the USA.

Millionaires, Migrant Workers and a very overpaid Police Force to maintain the divide by 2020.


Note the foreshadowing.

"Let them Eat Cake"

C
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Old 08-23-2007, 06:57 AM
 
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Clamboy:

I agree, but also disagree. You are right with the big picture, but you fail to point out the cause of the problem, - the race issue. You can not debate this problem without taking into account that in the last 20 years the United States has seen its non-white population grow by over 60 million people. Most of this growth is due to legal and illegal immigration. Whites are pessimistic about the future baceause that future looks darker and darker (pun intended).

2007: Current US Population 302.5 million: Whites 65%, Hispanics 15%, Blacks 13%, Asians 5% and others 2%.

2020: Population estimate from the Census Bureau: 336 million: Whites 60%, Hispanics 18%, blacks 14%, Asians 5%, and others 3%.
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Old 08-23-2007, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Little Babylon
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Oh my! My wife who grew up in Laurel Hollow is Hispanic! I better deport her bean picking tush back south o' de border. I'd deport my kids too but I need someone to mow the lawn.

And don't forget folks, make sure you get a permit from the local fire station before burning crosses on your neighbors lawn.
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Old 08-23-2007, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Beautiful Upstate NY!
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The rich ones live on Long Island...the rest live on Wrong Island.
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Old 08-23-2007, 08:00 AM
 
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Clamboy:

I agree, but also disagree. You are right with the big picture, but you fail to point out the cause of the problem, - the race issue. You can not debate this problem without taking into account that in the last 20 years the United States has seen its non-white population grow by over 60 million people. Most of this growth is due to legal and illegal immigration. Whites are pessimistic about the future baceause that future looks darker and darker (pun intended).

2007: Current US Population 302.5 million: Whites 65%, Hispanics 15%, Blacks 13%, Asians 5% and others 2%.

2020: Population estimate from the Census Bureau: 336 million: Whites 60%, Hispanics 18%, blacks 14%, Asians 5%, and others 3%.
Actullay Im far more conderned with Elite (White) Wall Street 2% taking more and more of the pie.

Im just glad were rewarding Lazy Money these days....God knows the top 2% need all the help they can get.
In the words of Leona Helmsley "Taxes are for the little people"


Heres the real kicker Nbres....the neocons got "the little people" (ie you)thinking America sucks because of Brown people and Welfare.
(Ala "Whats the Matter With Kasnas")


No Millionaire left behind should serve Long Island well.

C

Race Race Race

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Old 08-23-2007, 08:21 AM
 
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Clamboy:

You are right about the 2% elite that owns 40-50% of all the wealth in this country. However, don't you see that they support open third world immigration to destroy the white working and middle classes. Bush and company basically want a slave labor class to replace us. They want to bust what is left of organized labor, they want to do away with labor laws, they want unbridled capitalism. They want to offshore jobs to save a buck and import cheap labor as well to save a buck. Who benefits? They 2% elite of course and to hell with the rest of us for wanting to keep our neighborhoods and schools safe. To hell with those of us who want a future for our children.
If we oppose this then we are called racists and worse, but the real deal is that they are using race to advance their class interests in order to stifle any real discussion of what is going on.

I don't expect you to believe in what I do, but it is time for people to begin awakening to what is happening around you. This country is in big trouble. Look back in history and you will see what happened to the Roman Republic when the independent yeoman farmers (similar to our middle class) were replaced by slave labor. The republic died and its place an empire was born.

The Elite strategy: divide and conquer.
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Old 08-23-2007, 08:52 AM
 
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Clamboy:

You are right about the 2% elite that owns 40-50% of all the wealth in this country. However, don't you see that they support open third world immigration to destroy the white working and middle classes. Bush and company basically want a slave labor class to replace us. They want to bust what is left of organized labor, they want to do away with labor laws, they want unbridled capitalism. They want to offshore jobs to save a buck and import cheap labor as well to save a buck. Who benefits? They 2% elite of course and to hell with the rest of us for wanting to keep our neighborhoods and schools safe. To hell with those of us who want a future for our children.
If we oppose this then we are called racists and worse, but the real deal is that they are using race to advance their class interests in order to stifle any real discussion of what is going on.

I don't expect you to believe in what I do, but it is time for people to begin awakening to what is happening around you. This country is in big trouble. Look back in history and you will see what happened to the Roman Republic when the independent yeoman farmers (similar to our middle class) were replaced by slave labor. The republic died and its place an empire was born.

The Elite strategy: divide and conquer.
Toynbee theory:
External Pressure/Internal Weakness
We're effed.

Im no fan of the 2%.
Did I mention that you are "The Little People".
As am I.

C

C
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Old 08-23-2007, 05:04 PM
 
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Clamboy:

You are right about the 2% elite that owns 40-50% of all the wealth in this country. However, don't you see that they support open third world immigration to destroy the white working and middle classes. Bush and company basically want a slave labor class to replace us. They want to bust what is left of organized labor, they want to do away with labor laws, they want unbridled capitalism. They want to offshore jobs to save a buck and import cheap labor as well to save a buck. Who benefits? They 2% elite of course and to hell with the rest of us for wanting to keep our neighborhoods and schools safe. To hell with those of us who want a future for our children.
If we oppose this then we are called racists and worse, but the real deal is that they are using race to advance their class interests in order to stifle any real discussion of what is going on.

I don't expect you to believe in what I do, but it is time for people to begin awakening to what is happening around you. This country is in big trouble. Look back in history and you will see what happened to the Roman Republic when the independent yeoman farmers (similar to our middle class) were replaced by slave labor. The republic died and its place an empire was born.

The Elite strategy: divide and conquer.
Holy Sh** that is deep. Dude you have to lighten up or your gonna have a stroke.
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Old 08-23-2007, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Little Babylon
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Clamboy:

You are right about the 2% elite that owns 40-50% of all the wealth in this country. However, don't you see that they support open third world immigration to destroy the white working and middle classes. Bush and company basically want a slave labor class to replace us. They want to bust what is left of organized labor, they want to do away with labor laws, they want unbridled capitalism. They want to offshore jobs to save a buck and import cheap labor as well to save a buck. Who benefits? They 2% elite of course and to hell with the rest of us for wanting to keep our neighborhoods and schools safe. To hell with those of us who want a future for our children.
If we oppose this then we are called racists and worse, but the real deal is that they are using race to advance their class interests in order to stifle any real discussion of what is going on.

I don't expect you to believe in what I do, but it is time for people to begin awakening to what is happening around you. This country is in big trouble. Look back in history and you will see what happened to the Roman Republic when the independent yeoman farmers (similar to our middle class) were replaced by slave labor. The republic died and its place an empire was born.

The Elite strategy: divide and conquer.
I do have to ask, in your own words what benefit do the "Elites" gain from doing all of this? And please give an answer not pulled from some other guys web site.
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Old 08-23-2007, 11:23 PM
 
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Clamboy , it seems your mind is made up. I can clearly see how frustrated you are that it is too expensive for what you want here, but every post of yours is negative and says the same thing pretty much. Truth be told, LI is very very desirable and that is why housing prices are very high. I think you already know you either have to accept it or leave, if you have tried all other options.

Say what you want about LIs present (or future) state. But the the reality remains that LI is very desirable to many people. We are not living on two different LIs...it is all the same LI, just that each one of us/our income/our needs/etc are different.
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