What is the most unpretentious upper middle class town on LI? (Brookhaven: rentals, live)
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Happy 4th.
I dont have a dog in this fight(per the treaty) but that map looks about right to me.
I just know what I see in the area. I assure you MS/MP are fairly affluent areas that IMO are (for the most part) unpretentious.
SWR is known to have some baggery.
Crooks
PS I'm not sure how RP or Bohemia got here either.
Happy 4th, Crooks.
I'll take your word on MS/MP. The only dog I have in this is the one with mustard & kraut .
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On PCI/MHI, I would use MHI as the most relevant figure for LI. Per Capita can easily be skewed down in areas with larger families and more kids.
I jumped into this thread for the simple reason that Crooks puts too many towns on a pedestal - in this case specifically, Miller Place. MP is not upper middle class - not even close by my definition.
The areas you mention here (based on Crooks pulling them in) are small - period. Poquott and Old Field according to citydata has a pop. of about 900 each. That's a small development in the big picture and very well are "upper" - but contrast that to MP where it's > 12k population. I know you're partial to 3V for obvious reasons, but it's not upper middle class overall…
oddly enough, Stony Brook ranked 271 and Setauket/East Setauket CDP @ 303 nationally as per the link you cited on post 117.
FWIW: Had Old Field and Poquott been broken out of the Setauket CDP, Setauket would have placed lower than 303.
Many residents of 11790 and 11733 fall into the definition of upper middle you provided earlier :
Pequa, Bohemia got into the thread because I suggested it to the OP as a nice, solid middle class area with beautiful homes/properties and is very
unpretentious.
Also - judging by your green map, Neither Bohemia, Or Massapequa are looking too great. Do we know how accurate it really is? I see many areas on there that aren't dark green that I know for a fact are very wealthy areas...I don't know how much we can trust it.
And a lot of these rich towns you guys are throwing out are much higher then upper middle class. I don't understand warped Long Islander's sense of wealth. Seriously, if LLoyd harbor and Port Washington are only upper middle class...then I must live in a 3rd world country. You guys crack me up. Those towns are filthy rich by american standards. You all need to leave NY more often.
I'd say the numbers are legit. It's based on census data and looks fairly accurate to me.
I'm not dissing Bohemia or RP or anything like that. I'm not doubting you on Bohemia. You know that area well.
On Pequa, here's the same map from another thread on this issue:
INCOME AND BENEFITS (2010) Factfinder2
Massapequa
Total households 7,188 +/-430 7,188 (X)
Less than $10,000 84 +/-60 1.2% +/-0.8
$10,000 to $14,999 112 +/-76 1.6% +/-1.0
$15,000 to $24,999 249 +/-101 3.5% +/-1.4
$25,000 to $34,999 233 +/-133 3.2% +/-1.9
$35,000 to $49,999 420 +/-162 5.8% +/-2.3
$50,000 to $74,999 1,010 +/-272 14.1% +/-3.7
$75,000 to $99,999 836 +/-243 11.6% +/-3.3
$100,000 to $149,999 1,437 +/-260 20.0% +/-3.4
$150,000 to $199,999 1,366 +/-315 19.0% +/-4.0
$200,000 or more 1,441 +/-258 20.0% +/-3.5 Median household income (dollars) 121,000 +/-13,123
Also, Lloyd Harbor is wealthy. I don't know who would say otherwise.
Did both areas report sizable Latino populations or did the usual nonsense fly? I would argue the numbers awe invalid if they're under 50 pct in Huntington Station. PJ and PJS are spread over 2 zips
Crooks
That's because you're not at all familiar with Huntington Station beyond driving down 110 to get to Huntington Village. That is one neighborhood, albeit densely populated, in a fairly large hamlet. That one neighborhood is predominantly Latino and poor. Most of the hamlet is white middle and working class neighborhoods, with pockets of upper middle class bordering the more affluent communities of Cold Spring Harbor, West Hills, Huntington, and Greenlawn. There is no way HS is 50% Latino. The census puts persons of Hispanic or Latino origin at 36.7%, which sounds about right.
Even with the abject poverty and large population of immigrants from the 110 hood factored in, the hamlet of Huntington Station still contains affluence. In fact, if you look at actual households (not percentages and mediums), there are more six-figure households in HS than there are in Miller Place (and certainly more than RP).
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Huntington Station has:
2,004 households (19.4%) between 100-150k.
1,015 households ( 9.8%) between 150-200k.
551 households ( 5.3%) over 200k.
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Total: 3,570 six-figure households
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Miller Place has:
1,052 households (26.0%) between 100-150k. (about half of HS)
670 households (16.6%) between 150-200k. (significantly less than HS)
560 households (13.8%) over 200k. (about on par with HS)
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Total: 2,282 six-figure households
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Rocky Point has:
1,055 households (22.2%) between 100-150k. (about on par with MP and half of HS)
382 households ( 8.0%) between 150-200k. (about a third of HS)
239 households ( 5.0%) over 200k. (about half of MP and HS)
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Total: 1, 676 six-figure households (less than half HS)
See? You have me crunching numbers on this cloudy holiday! Maybe HS should be voted the least pretentious upper-middle community?
I'm not sure why you're telling me that Port Jeff and Port Jeff Station are spread over two zips. They are also two separate CDPs.
That's because you're not at all familiar with Huntington Station beyond driving down 110 to get to Huntington Village. That is one neighborhood, albeit densely populated, in a fairly large hamlet. That one neighborhood is predominantly Latino and poor. Most of the hamlet is white middle and working class neighborhoods, with pockets of upper middle class bordering the more affluent communities of Cold Spring Harbor, West Hills, Huntington, and Greenlawn. There is no way HS is 50% Latino. The census puts persons of Hispanic or Latino origin at 36.7%, which sounds about right.
Even with the abject poverty and large population of immigrants from the 110 hood factored in, the hamlet of Huntington Station still contains affluence. In fact, if you look at actual households (not percentages and mediums), there are more six-figure households in HS than there are in Miller Place (and certainly more than RP).
See? You have me crunching numbers on this cloudy holiday! Maybe HS should be voted the least pretentious upper-middle community?
I'm not sure why you're telling me that Port Jeff and Port Jeff Station are spread over two zips. They are also two separate CDPs.
Although you're dead wrong on MS/MP I admire the lengths you're willing to go with the Turdpolish for Huntington Station. Sorry you spent your 4th doing so.
I respect your analysis but I encourage you to visit the area sometime.
Despite the deep dive most rational folks refer to MS/MP as Upper middle simply because it is.
We can agree to disagree.
Crooks
Last edited by Crookhaven; 07-04-2012 at 08:13 PM..
Interesting definitions there. Someone making $5m a year is in the top fraction of the 1% of Americans and solidly in the upper class. Someone making $65k is making above the median wage and is solidly in the middle class.
I completely understand what you're saying and there was a time I would agree.
However, as was explained to me by someone whom probably was making around $5-$10 Million/yr. (my guess), "someone making $1 Million/yr. is a world away from someone making $10 Million/yr. who is a world away from someone making $100 Million/yr.
So, despite the relatively few number of people involved, putting these three income levels in an equivalent category is like putting someone who makes $1,000/yr. in the same category as someone making $10,000/yr. along with someone making $100,000/yr."
Using 1% makes it seem like a small number of people and, therefore, insignificant. How about instead of counting people we count wealth? What % of this nations' wealth is held by those making less than the median income level? Your statement would suggest the answer is 50%...just as those above the median income hold the other 50% of the nations' wealth. But we know this is not true. So how could the median income define the middle of Middle Class?
- Take the total annual income of all Americans (= something like $12.5 Trillion).
- Now subtract from $12.5 Trillion the lowest income individual, then the next lowest, then the next, etc. until $6.25 Trillion is gone and $6.25 Trillion remains.
- Whatever is the income you're subtracting when you get to $6.25Trillion...that's the middle of Middle Class because 50% of the nation's annual income is earned by those below and 50% is earned by those above.
- BTW, there are no published statistics which allow this breakdown to be determined but a rough guestimation puts the middle of Middle Class somewhere around $150,000/yr., meaning 50% of the income earned in this country is made by those making $150,000/yr or less and 50% by those making $150,000/yr. and more.
Last edited by James1202; 07-04-2012 at 07:33 PM..
Reason: math
I'd say the numbers are legit. It's based on census data and looks fairly accurate to me.
I'm not dissing Bohemia or RP or anything like that. I'm not doubting you on Bohemia. You know that area well.
On Pequa, here's the same map from another thread on this issue:
INCOME AND BENEFITS (2010) Factfinder2
Massapequa
Total households 7,188 +/-430 7,188 (X)
Less than $10,000 84 +/-60 1.2% +/-0.8
$10,000 to $14,999 112 +/-76 1.6% +/-1.0
$15,000 to $24,999 249 +/-101 3.5% +/-1.4
$25,000 to $34,999 233 +/-133 3.2% +/-1.9
$35,000 to $49,999 420 +/-162 5.8% +/-2.3
$50,000 to $74,999 1,010 +/-272 14.1% +/-3.7
$75,000 to $99,999 836 +/-243 11.6% +/-3.3
$100,000 to $149,999 1,437 +/-260 20.0% +/-3.4
$150,000 to $199,999 1,366 +/-315 19.0% +/-4.0
$200,000 or more 1,441 +/-258 20.0% +/-3.5 Median household income (dollars) 121,000 +/-13,123
Also, Lloyd Harbor is wealthy. I don't know who would say otherwise.
We agree again.
Pequa had my unpretentious nod early with Gps and of course LH is wealthy.
Yeah, but I'd say Smithtown SD Nesconset is definitely middle of Middle Class and somewhat lower (maybe not by much). But I'm basing this assumption on the belief that $150,000/yr. is middle of Middle Class with the top income of middle Middle Class being around $300,000/yr. (or a little less...$250K/yr.).
It seems a lot of my neighbours have been in their home for 20-40 yrs. (such a wonderful thing) but I doubt their incomes are much more than $100K/yr. (based on their occupations and employers).
Upper Middle Class would begin around $250-300K/yr. and end around $2-3 Million/yr. and I don't think people making these incomes would necessarily settle for the small lots and generic-looking houses of vinyl and PVC commonly found in Nesconset; since people with these incomes probably wouldn't be concerned with "no maintenance" and would have travelled enough to get ideas of what they prefer in a house rather than what some builder 20-30 yrs. ago could pass-off as "luxurious" (a pretentious concern).
Although you're dead wrong on MS/MP I admire the lengths you're willing to go with the Turdpolish for Huntington Station. Sorry you spent your 4th doing so.
I respect your analysis but I encourage you to visit the area sometime.
Despite the deep dive most rational folks refer to MS/MP as Upper middle simply because it is.
We can agree to disagree.
Crooks
No worries. I did the number cruching by the pool (and then it rained ).
You can disagree with me all you want. What you can't disagree with is the cold hard fact that Huntington Station has 1,288 more households that earn at least 100k than Miller Place (which I'm sure is a lovely Central Suffolk community). HS has 1,894 more households earning over 100k than RP (more than double RP's top earners).
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No worries. I did the number cruching by the pool (and then it rained ).
You can disagree with me all you want. What you can't disagree with is the cold hard fact that Huntington Station has 1,288 more households that earn at least 100k than Miller Place (which I'm sure is a lovely Central Suffolk community). HS has 1,894 more households earning over 100k than RP (more than double RP's top earners).
No turdpolish necessary. Just facts.
But isnt Huntington Station much more populated than the other 2?
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Maybe HS should be voted the least pretentious upper-middle community? 
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