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Old 12-19-2012, 02:03 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Doubtful. It would be more victim to add to the list unfortunately.
Remember he shot his way thru the door/window. The armed guard would be running for cover or be shot with the bullets as he entered.
Don't think so. I'm all in favor of changing gun laws, but let's not let that distract us from the real issue here - security (or lack thereof) at schools. 600 kids packed into one building with no proper security. That's asking for something to happen.

 
Old 12-19-2012, 04:59 AM
 
Location: Sound Beach
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I think if you are going to have an armed person in a school, it cannot be a teacher/principle/etc. It's too much to ask in terms of training. And, instantly you change they type pf person you need. You instantly have to be concerned with wondering...is my kids teacher good enough to run a classroom AND shoot the guy trying to storm the school? It almost invariably needs to be a police officer. Not a hired security guard, unless they are specifically trained for it.

More guns isn't necessarily the answer, but more people with guns AND the right intentions, at the right place may be.

But another issue is the design of schools...ingress/egress points and how to monitor all of them. The elementary school my kids go to here in VA is warm, open, welcoming...and a security nightmare! This is not an easy problem, but we do it pretty successfully for our military bases/VIP's and others. Why would we NOT put an armed person in there to protect our kids?
 
Old 12-19-2012, 05:04 AM
 
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Gee...so let's eliminate outdoor recess or gym now. Afterall....someone can pull into parking lot and open fire.
 
Old 12-19-2012, 05:29 AM
 
Location: Little Babylon
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Prisons are pretty secure, maybe we could design schools like a prison.
 
Old 12-19-2012, 06:08 AM
 
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Doubtful. I think you're both clueless. Regardless I can guarantee you an armed guard at each of the schools where shootings occurred would have at least saved some, possibly most lives.

so where would you go with your guns to inflict maximum casualties??
You are assuming the said armed guard isnt sitting by the front door when the attacker starts firing randomly spraying the entry with bullets. If he/she's by the front door human reaction will have him ducking from the flying glass. If's he's not at the front door perhaps he has a chance of stopping the guy, assuming he/she surprises him.

Remember the shooting this year by the Empire State building, the cops actually shot more people on the street than the criminal. Granted this was a hit job but still.
 
Old 12-19-2012, 06:36 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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You are assuming the said armed guard isnt sitting by the front door when the attacker starts firing randomly spraying the entry with bullets. If he/she's by the front door human reaction will have him ducking from the flying glass. If's he's not at the front door perhaps he has a chance of stopping the guy, assuming he/she surprises him.

Remember the shooting this year by the Empire State building, the cops actually shot more people on the street than the criminal. Granted this was a hit job but still.
Another reason not to have guns in schools, even professionals in these totally random once in a lifetime situations have a difficult time. There are plenty of examples on LI of friendly fire killing cops, ATF, etc, they last thing we need is guns inside schools. Schools need to be vigilant and secure their property as best they can but armed guards/teachers is going in the wrong direction.

How far do you go with that, armed guards on buses, in the balconies at concerts. at sporting events.
 
Old 12-19-2012, 06:39 AM
 
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Playing devil's advocate, but how is arming a teacher or a principal going to prevent something like this from happening again? These people give no warning to what they are about to do. Just usually just walk in and start shooting. If a teacher had a gun, they wouldn't have time to pull it out and kill the shooter.

The CT maniac shot through the glass and walked in. Just enough warning for armed security to shoot him dead and save innocent lives.
Too bad it didnt go down like that.
 
Old 12-19-2012, 06:41 AM
 
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I would never send my child to a school that had armed teachers. No way!

The frequency at which these things happens isn't worth having children surrounded by guns.

I'm speechless you would actually say this in light of what happened. Had your kid been in that CT school you would be praying someone other than the shooter had a gun.

Oddly, I bet you would have no problem letting your kids hang around a police station-a place where everyone is armed and there is even the occassional criminal hanging about.
 
Old 12-19-2012, 06:42 AM
 
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Children have had access to violent video games, violent movies, violent images in the news media. They grow up desensitized. Has anyone thought about banning violent video games? Perhaps banning violent blood bath movies?
1980 called...and 1990...and 2000
Same story after all these years.
 
Old 12-19-2012, 06:44 AM
 
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Oh please. I watched Combat as a kid and never threw a live hand grenade at my brother.I watched the Three Stooges and never hit my friend with a lead pipe. I watched The Road Runner and never tried to drop an anvil on my neighbor. I had BB guns,arrows,slingshots and rocks and never aimed to hit anyone.....though I scored an uncle's forehead with a Lawnjart at age 7. At age 52 I even play XBOX Call of Duty with my 10 year old nephew and he seems well-adjusted. Then again some here would suggest I should buy him an Easy Bake Oven for Christmas.

I watched a Superman episode and jumped out of a 6th floor window.
Thankfully, I can fly so I wasn't seriously injured.
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