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It will change the number of people going in and out of PS yes but it will not alleviate the problems of the LIRR. It has the potential to create more problems like multiple changes from origination to destination, overcrowding at GCT, more overcrowding on 4,5,6 lines.
All this and they will not be bringing new ridership to the game.
The LIRR is the NY Jets equivalent = Big Market, Lots of money spent but with no real direction.
It is expected that 50,000 new riders will be added to the system , between ESA and the Queens improvements and fare reform....and Sunnyside JCT is expected to get at least 15,000 riders transferring to the Hell Gate line for Stamford , New Rochelle and New Haven or going to LIC....
The Grand Central Connection will shave off 15 mins off City Bound LIRR Commuters and reduce congestion on the E/7/1/2/3 lines....and the Ridership projections are high 130,000 riders. 40,000 new riders...
The Second Ave line is to reduce the overcrowded , overcapacity 4/5/6 line which is used by 1.5 Million , the SAS Phase 1 will take 200,000 off the Lex , Phase 2 another 300,000 off the Lex giving the line some space to breathe...
The 3rd Track was sheveled do to LI NIMBYS which once again have shot themselves in the foot....it wasn't that expensive , it was the loud mouth ppl who didn't want it.
Port Jefferson Electrfication is not a pipe dream half the line is electrfied....as for Montuak there buying DMUs...
I believe those loud mouthed people knew their homes and businesses would have been taken from them by eminient domain to put that 3rd track in.
I believe those loud mouthed people knew their homes and businesses would have been taken from them by eminient domain to put that 3rd track in.
Yes , but its a fact of life , we need to upgrade our infrastructure outwest homes are taken so they can expand highways and railways people are paided for their homes. Its not what they want , but its money , probably more then they would get for that property size and location... Long Island has 2 options either restore the Central Branch or put in a 3rd and 4th track , otherwise the LIRR will not be able to expand in size or service , neither will freight which would help the Island. The NIMBYS of this region are starting to hurt the region , we have a back log of over 300 critical projects mostly blocked by NIMBYS , Highway Expansions , New Railways , New Power lines , New Sewage pants , etc....its not like the region isn't growing...its expected to grow by to 31 million by 2050....
Yes , but its a fact of life , we need to upgrade our infrastructure outwest homes are taken so they can expand highways and railways people are paided for their homes. Its not what they want , but its money , probably more then they would get for that property size and location... Long Island has 2 options either restore the Central Branch or put in a 3rd and 4th track , otherwise the LIRR will not be able to expand in size or service , neither will freight which would help the Island. The NIMBYS of this region are starting to hurt the region , we have a back log of over 300 critical projects mostly blocked by NIMBYS , Highway Expansions , New Railways , New Power lines , New Sewage pants , etc....its not like the region isn't growing...its expected to grow by to 31 million by 2050....
With all due respect, how is losing your home or business being NIMBY? They were not complaining about noise, crime, or traffic. This was about losing their livelihood. If it was open or condemned land, by all means let them take it. I don't know your personal situation but could you easily give up your house or business with no guarantee of the same quality of life?
Why do you consider the tunnels such "nightmares?" Feel lucky we have 4! The Hudson only has 2!
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everytime trains get stuck...even for 5 minutes during rush hr, the whole system at penn station goes up in flames. To me its like JFK or LGA....its very very sensitive to being delayed. yes there is 4 tunnels but we do share it with Amtrak
The most popular mess in my experience is amtrak broken down in the tunnel or some smoke condition. I've personally experienced a few times where they gated up penn station to limit the amount of people going into Penn Station.
everytime trains get stuck...even for 5 minutes during rush hr, the whole system at penn station goes up in flames. To me its like JFK or LGA....its very very sensitive to being delayed. yes there is 4 tunnels but we do share it with Amtrak
The most popular mess in my experience is amtrak broken down in the tunnel or some smoke condition. I've personally experienced a few times where they gated up penn station to limit the amount of people going into Penn Station.
Trust me, I've experienced it too, but unfortunately we have to cross a river to get into Manhattan. Tunnels are subject to these sorts of problems (so are bridges). Those are our only options short of putting the trains on ferries. The breakdowns have more to do with train maintenance than the tunnels themselves. Anytime this happens I just hop on the 7 and catch a train at Woodside.
Yes , but its a fact of life , we need to upgrade our infrastructure outwest homes are taken so they can expand highways and railways people are paided for their homes. Its not what they want , but its money , probably more then they would get for that property size and location... Long Island has 2 options either restore the Central Branch or put in a 3rd and 4th track , otherwise the LIRR will not be able to expand in size or service , neither will freight which would help the Island. The NIMBYS of this region are starting to hurt the region , we have a back log of over 300 critical projects mostly blocked by NIMBYS , Highway Expansions , New Railways , New Power lines , New Sewage pants , etc....its not like the region isn't growing...its expected to grow by to 31 million by 2050....
Lousy service, increasing fares and inept government will hurt the LIRR more than NIMBYs
The transportation FSA decrease (ddespite the fact that the prez wants us to look for greener alternatives??), along with yet another fare increase, have made it cheaper to drive. The fact that a little wind and rain won't hold your car up makes it a slam dunk. Why bother expanding?
Trust me, I've experienced it too, but unfortunately we have to cross a river to get into Manhattan. Tunnels are subject to these sorts of problems (so are bridges). Those are our only options short of putting the trains on ferries. The breakdowns have more to do with train maintenance than the tunnels themselves. Anytime this happens I just hop on the 7 and catch a train at Woodside.
For every post in this thread that sympathizes with the limitations of the Amtrak-owned tunnels and other assorted flaws (lord knows, there are many of these) in the infrastructure, I'd like to point out much of the industrial world, esp. in Europe and the far East, the trains are preferred modes of transportation. They are well-run, clean, cost-effective and quite the opposite of our sad, miserable, poorly run and costly LIRR. Some of the tracks in these far away lands even cross rivers.
So, if you're content with your cruddy service at Rolls Royce fares here on LI, think about the 600-mph mag-lev trains China is working on. Next time it takes you 90 mins to go 40 miles, think about the fact the Shanghai Mag-lev train can cover over 1000 miles in less than 8 hours. Maybe while you're at it, you can wonder about what happened to your President's promises to improve the nation's infrastructure.
Amsterdam Centraal to Leiden Centraal 44km (27m) €8.10 ($10.69)
Arles, France to Marseille, France 83km (51m) €14.60 ($21.45)
Merrick to Penn Station (about 27m) $8.25 ($11.50 peak)
Ronkokoma to Penn Station (about 51m) $11.75 ($16.25 peak)
Its not quite the bargain you make it out to be. Is there some other Europe I'm perhaps missing?
Well thanks for pointing this out and presenting a totally useless comparison. Apples and oranges, as they say.
When I mentioned '... cost-effective ...' I was mainly referring to bang for the buck from a budget standpoint, not the cost of purchasing a daily ticket on the LIRR vs. various places in Europe or on the Shanghai line.
We pay a huge amount of taxes, fees and surcharges into the MTA but the infrastructure either stays the same or crumbles. There are many posts in this thread that treat this topic ad infinitum. I think this points to the waste, corruption and totally inept management of the MTA and it's unions more so, than the cost of a daily ticket.
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