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Disagree with the 1st part of the post and of course agree with the rest. The 2 smaller proposals cater more to the points I made and don't impact toH much so have a better chance of actually coming to fruition. The better and more ambitious a plan the more every dipstick politico will make their bones by getting in the way. Remember to add the 2 billion piece of the plan Mangano already worked out with the other developer who gets the surrounding area. Put it all together and it's only a billion or so less than the Lighthouse Project. Ultimately we'll get something between Ratner's/MSG's proposals and a strip mall with Subway, check cashing joint and Walgreens anchor. Our cynicism would be funnier if we didn't both know we were right and will ultimately end disappointed by these clowns in office.
It's true that the two larger proposals are probably too ambitious for the likes of county politicians and don't offer as much opportunity for corruption. With the smaller ones, Mangano, Mondello and their ilk can also shoehorn their local contractors -- the faithful GOP contributors -- into the project. Maybe they can also get Looks Great, the ones being investigated for their Hurricane Sandy fiasco, into the cleanup effort. Why not?
HA! long islands greedy need for development and there precious mcmansions cost them a nhl team wtg
well everything else left the island this is no differant.
You're the one always saying there's nothing to do here and all they do is build stripmalls...
Did you want land left barren? Left as the forest it once was? Buildings left in disrepair? What? What exactly are you proposing would be best?
IMO Kate Murray will go for senior housing. I can't figure out how she got re-elected after the whole lighthouse thing. Sorry no anything if Kate is in office.
Ratner is a visionary and his proposal was, by far, the best. He's proven his worth with the unqualified success of Barclays Center in Brooklyn..
I guess you're unaware that the arena they ended up building was a scaled down/uglier version of the orginal stunning design that they coudln't afford due to financial difficulties with the project (hence Prokorov getting inolved). In fact, the entire development has had all sorts of issues, is not close to being on schedule, and will likely end up not being close to what was originally promised.
Simply because it falls under the reign of ToH. They are responsible for the town services to this area. Unless of course they give it to Native Americans or annex this part of Uniondale/East Garden City as its own city, and I imagine the process for that one is difficult.
Good luck though to ANYONE dealing with ToH. Kate Murray should be ashamed of herself for what economic dismay she brought to the Island(ers). She's a slob, and anyone who lives in the ToH should force a recall election and let their **** poor local government know they need a change.
Too bad we dont have recall elections in NYS....
The state/county should be exempt from town BS since they are one level or more up in govt.
I guess you're unaware that the arena they ended up building was a scaled down/uglier version of the orginal stunning design that they coudln't afford due to financial difficulties with the project (hence Prokorov getting inolved). In fact, the entire development has had all sorts of issues, is not close to being on schedule, and will likely end up not being close to what was originally promised.
In fairness it's no comparison. Barclay's is built in the center of a metropolis with myriad infrastructure issues, eminent domain problems and jurisdictions. The Hub is a weed choked dump with an asbestos laden cement mausoleum and not much around it. It's purely political ineptitude that keeps something ambitious from being developed.
In fairness it's no comparison. Barclay's is built in the center of a metropolis with myriad infrastructure issues
what infrastructure issues? Certainly not transporation. It's easier to get to Barclays from parts of Nassau/Suffolk than it is to Uniondale during rush hour. And the subway access is a home run, not to mention the people who can simply walk there.
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eminent domain problems and jurisdictions
Bloomberg was riding shotgun on the Atlantic Yards project from day 1. Ratner deserves no credit for any red tape that might have been averted.
what infrastructure issues? Certainly not transporation. It's easier to get to Barclays from parts of Nassau/Suffolk than it is to Uniondale during rush hour. And the subway access is a home run, not to mention the people who can simply walk there.
Bloomberg was riding shotgun on the Atlantic Yards project from day 1. Ratner deserves no credit for any red tape that might have been averted.
Comparing building in downtown Brooklyn to Uniondale? Are you serious? I get your points but come on. Bloomberg had no sway over Marty Markowitz, Sheldon Silver, the Ft. Greene civic association and the local politicos who all had special interests in the mix. The subway was the least of the infrastructure concern. That was there. The Land, the apartments, the battles over affordable housing on the land. Many had no desire for an arena and preferred it the way it was. If that could be done, they should be able to build a Taj Mahal at the hub.
Decent proposals. 2 ambitious, 2 smaller (1 w new arena, one interior refurb only). All private money. Really comes down to Ratner vs MSG. Ratner offering 300+ events per year, sweetens the pot with some Islander home games to be played and Jay Z's concert promotion power. MSG offers more seats, most likely chance for WNBA or AHL team (already own the Ct. Whale) and lots of Knicks/Rangers cross-promotion. All good proposals and all promise at least an AHL franchise, but of course the giant elephant in the room, Kate Murray and ToH (ooops, that came out wrong now didn't it ) barely gets a mention although they are of course the major roadblock to ANY plan going forward. And what did she have to say.... "we haven't reviewed any of the proposals but we are impressed with the quality of the developers." Am I reading too much into it or does that sound like the usual snide/defensive/obstructionist gearing up to park ToH's bloated carcass in the way of progress once again?!
It would be devastating to reduce the size. It would reduce the amount of concerts, and major events.
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) barely gets a mention although they are of course the major roadblock to ANY plan going forward. And what did she have to say.... "we haven't reviewed any of the proposals but we are impressed with the quality of the developers." Am I reading too much into it or does that sound like the usual snide/defensive/obstructionist gearing up to park ToH's bloated carcass in the way of progress once again?! 
