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Old 02-24-2014, 10:40 PM
 
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So I can start to see my porch again as now there is only 6inches of snow in some areas that havent melted. So its got me thinking of the pre-spring outdoor projects. Well my 15x15 deck (which sits about a foot and a half off the ground) is old and in bad shape. I am thinking about ripping it up myself and having a company come in and either do a patio or perhaps pour a pad of cement (for staining later). So a couple of questions I have....FYI im in Stony Brook (Brookhaven)

Do I need a demo permit to remove the deck? It is connected to the house and has a CO that was provided when we closed on the house last year. And how much for a permit to remove it?

Does this deck add to my tax bill?

How much (round-a-bout, I know, it all depends) for a decent paver/stone patio, perhaps with stone 3ft ish high walls? Any recommendations for companies used previously?

Anyone have a cement pad poured before? How much and by who?

Any help to any of the questions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.
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Old 02-25-2014, 05:33 AM
 
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Usually a deck adds to the tax bill because it is raised and a patio does not. That's the story I've heard from 2 LI building departments, anyway.

No idea on the demo permit or costs up there.
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Old 02-25-2014, 06:46 AM
 
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A telephone call to your local building dept will get you all your answers about required permits. In addition,they could answer your question about taxes.
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Old 02-25-2014, 08:04 AM
 
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If you go online to the towns web site and check the building codes you'll see that there is a big difference in repairing or refurnishing an existing structure, (no permits needed) and building a new structure, (Building plans, survey, permit, inspections, c/o) needed. From what you say you already have a c/o for the existing deck so imo you should be repairing that deck i.e. removing all the damaged rotted wood and replacing it. You can use the same cement footings and if you wanted to cheat and add a little to the deck I don't think you'd get caught. If you just want to remove it and install a patio or cement pad you can demo it yourself and again check the codes, in my town no permits are needed for a stucture 4'' or lower, i.e. no permit needed for a patio of brick or block or poured cement. The walls however will need a permit so your back to building plans, survey, permit, inspections, c/o. Be aware that when the building inspectors show up to inspect your patio there is a chance they might find other items on your property that you need permits or c/o's for. This is how they pay the bill's. You can visit the county tax search web page and view the tax map of your property. http://www.suffolkcountyny.gov/Depar...iceAgency.aspx
yes the deck effects your tax's but a patio with walls around it will also, so I don't foresee you saving money on your property tax. Again this is my opinion which shouldn't count for much in your decision.
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Old 02-25-2014, 08:13 AM
 
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Usually a deck adds to the tax bill because it is raised and a patio does not. That's the story I've heard from 2 LI building departments, anyway.

No idea on the demo permit or costs up there.
Very informative responce to the op's questions, thats the story I've heard, anyway.
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Old 02-25-2014, 12:04 PM
 
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So I can start to see my porch again as now there is only 6inches of snow in some areas that havent melted. So its got me thinking of the pre-spring outdoor projects. Well my 15x15 deck (which sits about a foot and a half off the ground) is old and in bad shape. I am thinking about ripping it up myself and having a company come in and either do a patio or perhaps pour a pad of cement (for staining later). So a couple of questions I have....FYI im in Stony Brook (Brookhaven)

Do I need a demo permit to remove the deck? It is connected to the house and has a CO that was provided when we closed on the house last year. And how much for a permit to remove it?

Does this deck add to my tax bill?

How much (round-a-bout, I know, it all depends) for a decent paver/stone patio, perhaps with stone 3ft ish high walls? Any recommendations for companies used previously?

Anyone have a cement pad poured before? How much and by who?

Any help to any of the questions would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.

You will need a demo permit in order to have the deck removed from the CO.

Demo permit will probably be a few hundred dollars -- don't quote me on that, though.

Not sure how much of a difference it will make on your tax bill. You are best off calling the tax assessor's office and asking them directly what the deck costs taxwise.

IIRC, a poured cement slab might require a permit as it is permanent. Double check with the building department 451-6333

A paver or stone patio which isn't butted up to the house shouldn't require a permit. Typically, Brookhaven wants permits for anything which is attached to the house (like a deck.)
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Old 02-26-2014, 09:09 AM
 
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If you're building on the footprint of an existing structure, there shouldn't be additional taxes. I'd rather not call up the county and alert them to any work being done.
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Old 02-26-2014, 10:16 AM
 
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If you're building on the footprint of an existing structure, there shouldn't be additional taxes. I'd rather not call up the county and alert them to any work being done.
You haven't a clue. If he gets a demo permit, he removes the deck and taxes will be reduced. If he rebuilds exactly, he need nit do anything as CO's are issued by the town and are structure specific. A concrete slab is another story as it has potential to be a foundation. I deal with Brookhaven for clients. What about you?
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Old 02-26-2014, 12:45 PM
 
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If you go online to the towns web site and check the building codes you'll see that there is a big difference in repairing or refurnishing an existing structure, (no permits needed) and building a new structure, (Building plans, survey, permit, inspections, c/o) needed. From what you say you already have a c/o for the existing deck so imo you should be repairing that deck i.e. removing all the damaged rotted wood and replacing it. You can use the same cement footings and if you wanted to cheat and add a little to the deck I don't think you'd get caught. If you just want to remove it and install a patio or cement pad you can demo it yourself and again check the codes, in my town no permits are needed for a stucture 4'' or lower, i.e. no permit needed for a patio of brick or block or poured cement. The walls however will need a permit so your back to building plans, survey, permit, inspections, c/o. Be aware that when the building inspectors show up to inspect your patio there is a chance they might find other items on your property that you need permits or c/o's for. This is how they pay the bill's. You can visit the county tax search web page and view the tax map of your property. Suffolk County Government > Departments > Real Property Tax Service Agency
yes the deck effects your tax's but a patio with walls around it will also, so I don't foresee you saving money on your property tax. Again this is my opinion which shouldn't count for much in your decision.
Geez the line in which you said "there is a chance they might find other items on your property that you need permits" sent a chill up my spine!!! lol..but great info, i really appreciate it.

Secondary question stemming from what you said. So I had an old wooden stockade fence replaced (which had a c/o) with a PVC fence in the same exact location. Nothing changed, not even a gate so I didnt call the building dept. Would they bust my chops do you think?
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Old 02-26-2014, 12:57 PM
 
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Geez the line in which you said "there is a chance they might find other items on your property that you need permits" sent a chill up my spine!!! lol..but great info, i really appreciate it.

Secondary question stemming from what you said. So I had an old wooden stockade fence replaced (which had a c/o) with a PVC fence in the same exact location. Nothing changed, not even a gate so I didnt call the building dept. Would they bust my chops do you think?
No you just maintained an existing structure. As long as you have the c/o for the same height fence your golden.
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