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Old 03-10-2014, 01:16 PM
 
Location: I'm gettin' there
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Need to get your facts straight. its up to 2 elementary and 2 middle schools, maybe.
I thought I mentioned that

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HHH, a supposedly anointed district is closing schools next year.
And thats going to make it better for them ?

I agree with you, its not going bankrupt, nowhere close, but I can feel a pinch here, a pinch there that gives you a general direction. They did away with the GATE programs last year, I am not sure if its going to come back, thats just an example (it had existed for 30 years). Whats next on the chopping block ? So its not just about the buildings.
Anyway I don't want this to be discussion about the school budget (btw, please go and vote) but whether Pines will help us with cleaning up the mess or make it worse (financially that is).
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Old 03-10-2014, 01:27 PM
 
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I thought I mentioned that


And thats going to make it better for them ?

I agree with you, its not going bankrupt, nowhere close, but I can feel a pinch here, a pinch there that gives you a general direction. They did away with the GATE programs last year, I am not sure if its going to come back, thats just an example (it had existed for 30 years). Whats next on the chopping block ? So its not just about the buildings.
Anyway I don't want this to be discussion about the school budget (btw, please go and vote) but whether Pines will help us with cleaning up the mess or make it worse (financially that is).
GATE was financially a drain and used up too many $$$s and did little to help the "talented" students and you got in my taking 1 test.

Closing schools is going to make it better for HHH and for every other district that can and should do it.
No sense in running buildings at 50%

Obiviously if they increase value and pay more taxes that's great. Its the abatements that kill.
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Old 03-10-2014, 01:40 PM
 
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GATE was financially a drain and used up too many $$$s and did little to help the "talented" students and you got in my taking 1 test.
Closing schools is going to make it better for HHH and for every other district that can and should do it.
No sense in running buildings at 50%
Don't you think it was a good option even before (when they had the funds), by that I mean closing and efficiently running the schools, the point is that as the budgets started to fail (which will be a regular occurrence on LI going forward) they had to do it. Again - the direction.
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Old 03-10-2014, 01:43 PM
 
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Don't you think it was a good option even before (when they had the funds), by that I mean closing and efficiently running the schools, the point is that as the budgets started to fail (which will be a regular occurrence on LI going forward) they had to do it. Again - the direction.
The population supported that # of schools. Now that its down, it doesn't...
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Old 03-10-2014, 01:47 PM
 
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I am not for or against, because I would need more information. I will say this again. Haven't you guys heard or Urban planning(i know not urban) Young families cannot afford Long Island any longer they are doing better in the city. The developers are required to build schools and such to scale to meet the needs of the area. Every development project mentioned on this board whether it be Nassau or Suffolk has woken up the community to gather their pitch forks and torches, then every other day you see the is Long Island too expensive or I have my house on the market and I can't wait to leave. Please make up your mind people. We can continue to complain about how LI is dying because of no jobs or places for the young to live or we want things build (I know you want stuff with real benefit built) Well we are either all stupid or the most uncreative people in the world because we have yet to come up with anything people can agree would provide value.
I see the value of having more sustainable residential development and one that offers a broad range of housing options. But why does this proposal entail giving the developer tax breaks? If there was a natural market for this development, it should not require a tax break. It should presumably sell on its own.
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Old 03-10-2014, 03:01 PM
 
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The population supported that # of schools. Now that its down, it doesn't...
Replace the "population" with $$$ in your sentence.
If the budget vote had not failed, we would not be discussing school closings regardless of population change.
Enrollment overall decreased by 5-6% over past 5 years.
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Old 03-10-2014, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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I am not for or against, because I would need more information. I will say this again. Haven't you guys heard or Urban planning(i know not urban) Young families cannot afford Long Island any longer they are doing better in the city. The developers are required to build schools and such to scale to meet the needs of the area. Every development project mentioned on this board whether it be Nassau or Suffolk has woken up the community to gather their pitch forks and torches, then every other day you see the is Long Island too expensive or I have my house on the market and I can't wait to leave. Please make up your mind people. We can continue to complain about how LI is dying because of no jobs or places for the young to live or we want things build (I know you want stuff with real benefit built) Well we are either all stupid or the most uncreative people in the world because we have yet to come up with anything people can agree would provide value.
We need good paying jobs which can sustain a family, not low paying work which is what many of the proposed businesses for the Pines will be. The young are leaving because of affordability and lack of decent jobs. The term 'workforce' isn't defined with a dollar amount. Are the young college educated or highly skilled people who are leaving considered workforce, or is it the minimum wage earners who lack a college degree or trade skills?
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Old 03-10-2014, 03:42 PM
 
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We need good paying jobs which can sustain a family, not low paying work which is what many of the proposed businesses for the Pines will be. The young are leaving because of affordability and lack of decent jobs. The term 'workforce' isn't defined with a dollar amount. Are the young college educated or highly skilled people who are leaving considered workforce, or is it the minimum wage earners who lack a college degree or trade skills?
No, we need people who are willing to work the type of job they deserve. Way too many people think they're entitled to a "good paying job", when in reality they should be stocking shelves at Best Buy, or punching tickets at a movie theater. You want a good paying job? Work for it. You can't just create these "good paying jobs" and expect them to be filled. We've got everything we need here in abundance; doctors, lawyers, accountants, teachers, etc etc etc. The market is flooded, so yes, if someone is pursuing any of these career choices, they should not hope to work on Long Island. You want to stock shelves? There's jobs galore, but no one wants to admit that's as far as they're going to get in life, so the positions remain unfilled.
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Old 03-10-2014, 04:57 PM
 
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Lets talk about the NY Atlantic frieght train that tears thru cracking folks house.............thats a story
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Old 03-10-2014, 08:35 PM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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This is exactly what the area needs and that is a perfect location. It will be a boon to the area and revitalize that section of town. I am voting Yes and I know many others will be as well.
A living pine forest needs to be revitalized???
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