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Old 04-04-2014, 06:26 AM
 
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I wish Long Island would become part of New Jersey I think we'd all be better off!
I believe NJ taxes are even higher than LI....plus the toll on the roads is a huge deterrent for me to live there.
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Old 04-04-2014, 03:36 PM
 
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Agreed!
Was watching television last night and victory lap commercials are already airing praising Cuomo for the budget. In particular you have heart warming scenes of school children with the voice over lauding the largest increase in public school funding in NYS history so "ALL* of our children receive what they deserve.....
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Old 04-04-2014, 03:40 PM
 
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I believe NJ taxes are even higher than LI....plus the toll on the roads is a huge deterrent for me to live there.
Say what you want about the tolls in NJ, but I'd take their roads and highways over the pothole/crater infested ones of NYC and other areas of NYS any day of the week. Soon as you come off the bridge or out of a tunnel into NJ everything for the most part is smooth as glass. Come the other way once you enter NY it is like driving on the Moon for all the holes. There are hub cabs scattered along the roadways and drivers cursing as they repair flats as testament.
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Old 04-04-2014, 05:12 PM
 
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Was watching television last night and victory lap commercials are already airing praising Cuomo for the budget. In particular you have heart warming scenes of school children with the voice over lauding the largest increase in public school funding in NYS history so "ALL* of our children receive what they deserve.....
I actually don't have a problem with making pre-k available to people who couldn't otherwise afford it. What I *do* have a problem with is offering free pre-k to well-off families who would normally be willing & able to pay for it themselves (and most even moderately well-off families do willingly pay to send their kids to pre-k). Of course, I also have a problem with non-NYC residents paying for this. Maybe if they only offered free pre-k to families below a certain income there would be enough $$$ left over to implement similar programs outside of NYC...
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Old 04-06-2014, 07:20 AM
 
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I can't understand why the push for pre-k when many districts still don't have full day kindergarten.
Look at Huntington that had full day and reduced it to 1/2 day a few years ago.
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Old 04-06-2014, 08:28 AM
 
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WHAT?! You mean DeBlasio's socialist idiocy wasn't going to work in the real world... like everyone said? NO WAY! You mean after his proposed tax increase and preparations made by the "rich" to move their shift-able assets out of NYC to avoid said taxes the rest of us need to pay? AWESOME!

Even better is that everyone on Long Island who voted for Cuomo now gets shafted again. GOOD JOB GUYS! I greatly appreciate more of my taxes going to fund failed socialist utopian policies.
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Old 04-06-2014, 08:58 AM
 
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Huntington has put full day K back in the budget FYI. They couldn't afford it a few years ago due to budget and space needs (one school had been closed back then).

School districts make their own decisions on whether to fund full day K or not, usually based on availability of space and money. I agree that it is necessary but people balk at the initial expense of being able to start up a full day K.

Cuomo's budget for UPK is for the whole state, not just NYC. NYC happens to be getting the bulk of the money. He could just as easily take away that funding in the future, which would then leave it up to the city to fund it themselves, as deBlasio wanted to do originally.

NYC's wealthy will most likely keep their kids in private preK, to stay away from the riff-raff and ensure placement in the most prestigious Kindergartens later on.

NY districts cannot afford to wait for children to possibly catch up academically by 3rd grade! Past studies cannot be used today as they don't account for the increased pressures of Common Core and high stakes testing! If our gov't is hellbent on keeping this then they have to make sure all children are ready for school and that is where preK comes in.

The two income home doesn't allow for much quality time for educational readiness training, even if a parent was inclined to try. Add in all those parents who don't have a clue or the intelligence themselves to prep their youngsters for school and you have a huge number of children who potentially won't be able to handle the stress of Kindergarten and beyond. Going from three adults in a preK classroom to one teacher in a K class, also makes it much harder to get the attention a child needs if there is a problem.

Again, why wait for three or more years for a child to hopefully catch up to his peers? Teachers just don't have time for this anymore. Statements on how you managed to be successful fifty years ago has no meaning to today's educational experience! And you either pay for it now, or you pay for it a heck of a lot more later on if you don't get kids ready for school. All my prior posts on this fact stand.
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Old 04-06-2014, 09:59 AM
 
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I'm pretty confident that the typical Garden City, Roslyn or Syosset household isn't going to lose sleep about their own kids being "behind" other kids who took pre K. Let's face reality here. The families who will benefit from expanded pre K are the ones whose needs go beyond simply meeting the grade, yet the families who have less use of the service are the ones being asked to foot the bill. So why is Cuomo still the frontrunner?
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Old 04-06-2014, 10:40 AM
 
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Again, why wait for three or more years for a child to hopefully catch up to his peers? Teachers just don't have time for this anymore. Statements on how you managed to be successful fifty years ago has no meaning to today's educational experience! And you either pay for it now, or you pay for it a heck of a lot more later on if you don't get kids ready for school. All my prior posts on this fact stand.
with all due respect to your background, I think we will have to wait fifty more years to see if your prior posts stand.
Remember Math A , Math B ? It was so much better than having the students take Algebra, Geometry, and Trigonometry in that order. Well, I guess all the geniuses with their Education PHDs were incorrect ! we will see...
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Old 04-06-2014, 11:20 AM
 
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Huntington has put full day K back in the budget FYI. They couldn't afford it a few years ago due to budget and space needs (one school had been closed back then).

School districts make their own decisions on whether to fund full day K or not, usually based on availability of space and money. I agree that it is necessary but people balk at the initial expense of being able to start up a full day K.

Cuomo's budget for UPK is for the whole state, not just NYC. NYC happens to be getting the bulk of the money. He could just as easily take away that funding in the future, which would then leave it up to the city to fund it themselves, as deBlasio wanted to do originally.

NYC's wealthy will most likely keep their kids in private preK, to stay away from the riff-raff and ensure placement in the most prestigious Kindergartens later on.

NY districts cannot afford to wait for children to possibly catch up academically by 3rd grade! Past studies cannot be used today as they don't account for the increased pressures of Common Core and high stakes testing! If our gov't is hellbent on keeping this then they have to make sure all children are ready for school and that is where preK comes in.

The two income home doesn't allow for much quality time for educational readiness training, even if a parent was inclined to try. Add in all those parents who don't have a clue or the intelligence themselves to prep their youngsters for school and you have a huge number of children who potentially won't be able to handle the stress of Kindergarten and beyond. Going from three adults in a preK classroom to one teacher in a K class, also makes it much harder to get the attention a child needs if there is a problem.

Again, why wait for three or more years for a child to hopefully catch up to his peers? Teachers just don't have time for this anymore. Statements on how you managed to be successful fifty years ago has no meaning to today's educational experience! And you either pay for it now, or you pay for it a heck of a lot more later on if you don't get kids ready for school. All my prior posts on this fact stand.
I hadn't read anything about universal pre-k for the whole state- do you have a link to an article?

Not sure what you mean about waiting 3 years for a child to catch up to his/her peers? Are you referring to the study that was mentioned in this thread or something else?
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