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Old 04-02-2014, 11:10 AM
 
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He's qualified enough, but those schools get lots of qualified applicants. It becomes down to nearly random luck whether the school will accept, it's rather unusual for all of the Ivies to have accepted him. Still, why apply to eight Ivies? A waste of application fees.
and how about the ones who was ranked #1 thru #10 in his class? I went to one of the top 5 HS in nyc and during my era...only the top 3 of the graduating class had a prayer for the top 3 IVYs (Harvard, Yale, Princeton)
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Old 04-02-2014, 12:42 PM
 
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it would be funny if kids entering these colleges would take women's studies or history as their major. oh wait. they do. and then they have a 200k loan to pay back in what would have cost a dollar fifty in late fees at the public library. ivy or not, math is math and science is science. if you play your cards well, a kid from community college can score great internships if he or she has talent. the ivy brand name definitely matters as networking will help but not at the cost of that tuition. if you are great, you will eventually be great regardless. your hard work and talent will show through at some point. luck and choices do factor in and i suppose kids are willing to pay 200k for the networking foundation they will lay for their futures.
It seems like you know nothing about these colleges or what liberal arts do. That kind of ignorance is common. From top universities liberal arts people go for jobs in banking, media, government, etc. Some go to law school or MBA school.

There's a huge difference between a history or english major at a CUNY and one at a top private university.

For the record, no one takes out a 200k loan for these universities. If your parents income is 60k or below, you attend the Ivy League for free. Who pays for it? The wealthy donors who have donated billions to the Ivy League endowment funds.
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Old 04-02-2014, 12:43 PM
 
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I don't think there is much variation between class rank 1 and class rank 11; combine this fact with his SAT score (which easily could have been significantly higher than his peers ranked 1-10) and Essay, and this is a no brainer from an admission standards point of view. I think many of you guys are over-emphasizing the class rank factor, particularly in a case where the candidate still finished within the top 2 percent. Big picture guys...
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Old 04-02-2014, 01:10 PM
 
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I don't think there is much variation between class rank 1 and class rank 11; combine this fact with his SAT score (which easily could have been significantly higher than his peers ranked 1-10) and Essay, and this is a no brainer from an admission standards point of view. I think many of you guys are over-emphasizing the class rank factor, particularly in a case where the candidate still finished within the top 2 percent. Big picture guys...
on the contrary it does matter. Ranking, % in ranking & what school does matter....Top school wants top students.... why not? If you are #11, what makes you stand out over the top 10? How about the person who is rank #25?...there is a cut off point for every university.
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and how about the ones who was ranked #1 thru #10 in his class? I went to one of the top 5 HS in nyc and during my era...only the top 3 of the graduating class had a prayer for the top 3 IVYs (Harvard, Yale, Princeton)
The difference in GPAs could be negligible and affected by a choice of course. They're in all in the top 2% of the graduating class. Other factors are going to affect the choice.
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Old 04-02-2014, 01:49 PM
 
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The difference in GPAs could be negligible and affected by a choice of course. They're in all in the top 2% of the graduating class. Other factors are going to affect the choice.
I had experience looking at a decade of data when I did some work in my HS college office. I do remember that, once you drop out the top 3, the odds of getting into Harvard, yale & Princeton dramatically drops. Of course anything is possible.

Its a known fact that hundreds if not probably thousands of valedictorian all over the nation can't get into the top IVYs. Yes...a myriad of factors can affect the outcome. No one can deny that top GPA & SAT is the two driving force to be even considered....unless you are GW Bush
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Old 04-02-2014, 02:33 PM
 
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A black kid got accepted into Ivies is as much newsworthy as an Asian kid got picked by the NBA/NFL.

Hunter High school in NYC sent 7/11/5/9 students to H/P/Y/C in their 2014 class of a total of 200 or so graduates, roughly 10% of their students continue into top-tier Ivies. Yet you don't hear a word of celebration of that.
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Old 04-02-2014, 02:47 PM
 
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A black kid got accepted into Ivies is as much newsworthy as an Asian kid got picked by the NBA/NFL.

Hunter High school in NYC sent 7/11/5/9 students to H/P/Y/C in their 2014 class of a total of 200 or so graduates, roughly 10% of their students continue into top-tier Ivies. Yet you don't hear a word of celebration of that.
that is true

getting in one IVY is one thing...getting in all 8 makes anyone wonder what is so special about any student. Being AA from Shirley makes its newsworthy
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Old 04-02-2014, 02:50 PM
 
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His family are immigrants from Ghana.
There is no doubt that children with foreign born parents on average perform much better at schools and later in their careers in this country. Some of the Russian kids I happen to know are truly high achievers and very diligent. But they do not stand out as much as their Asian peers in the media as a group because they are diluted out by the white majority.
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Old 04-02-2014, 03:00 PM
 
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A black kid got accepted into Ivies is as much newsworthy as an Asian kid got picked by the NBA/NFL.

Hunter High school in NYC sent 7/11/5/9 students to H/P/Y/C in their 2014 class of a total of 200 or so graduates, roughly 10% of their students continue into top-tier Ivies. Yet you don't hear a word of celebration of that.
New York went Linsane when a chinese dude started kicking ass in the NBA. But it was only temporary Linsanity.
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