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Originally Posted by grilba
It still is not making sense, and I took quite a bit of math. 1500 dollars is very little money considering you pay for everything out of it. I pay 6 grand and feel I am grossly underpaying for what I get. Also, I live in a working class/middle class blended community and my child gets a wonderful education.
I don't know what else to tell you, we pay the property tax rate I posted. When you look outside the NY metro especially away from the northeast salaries for teachers drop significantly. Our schools are none union and we are a right to work state. If you want DM me and I can provide links to for our taxes and schools.
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Interesting you should say that. I thought the ex-pat war cry was that people make as much or more in other areas of the U.S. so people in the tri-state area are actually stupid for staying here.
It seems like your teachers are relatively well paid compared to other workers- and some make well above the median household income for the county! Do people in your area complain that teachers are overpaid?
My niece's HS is in an area somewhat similar economically to mine. Home prices range from 200K (poor people on the mainland) to well into the millions on the beach. Their teachers are living in much the same conditions we are here, are paid a fraction, and in turn have county HS's which are outperforming some LI HS. Why are we paying out the wazoo when there's proof that highly paid doesn't always equate highly effective?
My niece's HS is in an area somewhat similar economically to mine. Home prices range from 200K (poor people on the mainland) to well into the millions on the beach. Their teachers are living in much the same conditions we are here, are paid a fraction, and in turn have county HS's which are outperforming some LI HS. Why are we paying out the wazoo when there's proof that highly paid doesn't always equate highly effective?
I think you said it yourself- 'teachers are living in much the same conditions we are here, are paid a fraction'. Well- to have that be possible, teachers in a higher cost of living area would have to be paid considerably more, no? You can't compare teacher's salaries in wildly different COL areas- what you have to do is compare teachers' salaries to the salaries of other professions in the same area.
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It seems like your teachers are relatively well paid compared to other workers- and some make well above the median household income for the county! Do people in your area complain that teachers are overpaid?
No I don't hear complaints and I work for a school district (none teacher). The compensation seem adequate and for a 20 something coming out of college they can afford to live, pay their loans if applicable and start their careers. Those that don't like the compensation in the long haul move on to other careers. There are always others waiting to take their place and many choose to make their careers as teachers, same as every location.
Overall I feel my tax dollars are well spent and far lower than I have paid in other locations.
No I don't hear complaints and I work for a school district (none teacher). The compensation seem adequate and for a 20 something coming out of college they can afford to live, pay their loans if applicable and start their careers. Those that don't like the compensation in the long haul move on to other careers. There are always others waiting to take their place and many choose to make their careers as teachers, same as every location.
Overall I feel my tax dollars are spent and far lower than I have paid in other locations.
Just curious- what professions do they move on to if they want to make more money?
I think you said it yourself- 'teachers are living in much the same conditions we are here, are paid a fraction'. Well- to have that be possible, teachers in a higher cost of living area would have to be paid considerably more, no? You can't compare teacher's salaries in wildly different COL areas- what you have to do is compare teachers' salaries to the salaries of other professions in the same area.
The costs aren't "wildly different" when comparing 11733 & 11790 in 3 Village with Ponte Vedra Beach in St John's County Public schools. Housing is on the high side, food prices are comparable. They do have much cheaper electric and don't use heating oil. The only thing that's "wildy different" is there is no union stranglehold on the taxpayers like the northern counterpart has.
So please tell me: how is it that these St John's County schools pay their teachers half of what they're paid in NY, yet they manage to produce results surpassing Plainview-Old Bethpage and many other districts {3V included)?
Not according to the ex-pats on this board when it comes to the "recommended" alternative areas for LI like NC and VA. They tell stories about how they (ClarkStreetKid, Prudhazy, MikeyKid, etc.) or their wives (BigMike50, etc.) make more money than they ever did on LI and make more money than is currently average for LI. They're always trying to bang it into our heads that their pet areas have better pay than "old and done" LI does! So do you really think you're correct in the bolded statement and I should assume they are just liars?
Easy now - I wouldn't put me in bigmike bragging territory... good luck going back and finding posts from me about the size of my johns---... <er> house or paycheck. You won't. I also didn't come into this thread to hype my particular area.
I joined this discussion because of the fallacy of perception that continues unchecked. That LI is a state. That all LI schools are great. That there is value left in the CoL for starting a family now. I replied to that last particular post because that person is your problem - a person who seems to honestly think they need to pay as much as they do in taxes. These people are the ones passing the budgets because they think they need to pay that much to get public schools and cops. Oh, the little snowflakes in Farmingdale need the money to get edumacated. Meanwhile costs are escalating unchecked and they don't even know why.
... so let's be frank and honest about the "old and done" 51st state that is LI. The paradigm continues to shift away from expensive commercial office space that puts everyone in cubicle farms. Technology makes remote folks more effective every day for countless private sector jobs and that is not going to reverse any time soon - it will just escalate. LI is self devouring itself on a civil workforce that takes the retirement package and gets out of dodge. This is not a long term winning strategy, completely unsustainable, and I know you agree with that.
Easy now - I wouldn't put me in bigmike bragging territory... good luck going back and finding posts from me about the size of my johns---... <er> house or paycheck. You won't. I also didn't come into this thread to hype my particular area.
Why do you empower her delusional posts with a reply? Her reading comprehensions skills are highly questionable...acts on emotions which doesn't help!
Now that everyone has drag my name into this......
She's was talking about my wife .....Like I said years ago ( everyone always remembers my posts) my wife in her field makes good money even more so then her counter parts up in NY but there is also a reason. My wife started of course in basically an entry level position in her field but came with 25 years of experience... She saw that things where being done half-assed backwards and suggested policy change to streamline and cut costs. In time her supervisors opened up to her suggestions and they all saw the results.
Being a minority and a female has helped( upper management were basically all of one color) but also the NY work ethic she brought down with her also help her advance very quickly. So with costs going down 30% and net income going up 400% and the rate she was getting new accounts were sky rocketing, they offered a lot to stay and run a Dept. The salary increase,car,computer,paid training, expense account, travel, phone and a three day weekend(every weekend) has helped both her and the family.. We're all proud! Just this week she was honored(company dinner) not only for her 5 years but for what she has accomplished in her short time there.
You can't find individual success story when comparing cities on C-D. And would this have happened anywhere else? It might have or it might not of? Your results may vary
As far as I go...I'll make the same no matter where I live( as long as I live on planet Earth) Yes I have a big house but the most important things is I can afford it and I don't complain about taxes,unions,teaches,civil servants,weather,traffic,neighbors,NIBYS,buses,LIR R,COL,snow,budgets,retirement, infrastructure etc,etc. Things have worked out well for me and the family....if you want to knock it, feel free go ahead...it's not going to change anything on my end and yours either
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Why do you empower her delusional posts with a reply? Her reading comprehensions skills are highly questionable...acts on emotions 
which doesn't help! 
.....Like I said years ago ( everyone always remembers my posts) my wife in her field makes good money 
