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Old 07-11-2016, 08:44 AM
 
Location: new yawk zoo
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You want your tax burden to feel lower, work in a profession that traditionally pays more.
cheap shot. Tax payers should have a voice when it comes to public matters
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Old 07-11-2016, 09:18 AM
 
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cheap shot. Tax payers should have a voice when it comes to public matters
I agree. I also believe that public servants are overcompensated as a whole. And I even believe public sector unions should be banned.

But one particular poster has a history of appointing himself the arbiter of what every profession "deserves" and attempts to justify his claim with little more than anecdotal evidence peppered with broad and inaccurate generalizations about entire classes of people (e.g., the "lazy union worker") based off of his or her biased perceptions. If that poster wants to argue that teachers who want to make a living wage on Long Island should be reliant on their spouse's earning to support their family or find a different job, then its fair to argue that he/she should earn more money if he wants to reduce the impact of taxes on his/her finances. Turnabout is fair play.

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Old 07-11-2016, 10:19 AM
 
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Don't forget the pension & lifetime medical coverage...Its common for teachers to retire in their mid 50s to late 50s.....that is pretty gold
You can get those same benefits as a janitor.

Take a civil service exam.
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Old 07-11-2016, 10:21 AM
 
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^ you two, families = dual income. No contradiction, more like your refusal to talk about more than 1 earner in a family.

You want more money, work in a profession that traditionally pays more. Rather than demands more because of ... wait for it... unions. Citing cost of living - you would, wouldn't you? I am certainly not the only one judging what's fair. People cry about our property taxes because they are not fair, disproportionately going to certain people who traditionally make much less. Is that really difficult to comprehend? Let me guess, we're just jealous and made the wrong decision not to jump on the gravy train.
You sound pretty jealous. You're always the first one to chime in and blame unions for all of your problems. You sound a little silly now.
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Old 07-11-2016, 10:38 AM
 
Location: new yawk zoo
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You can get those same benefits as a janitor.

Take a civil service exam.
That is assuming a person will ever be hired by DOE.
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Old 07-11-2016, 11:59 AM
 
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That is assuming a person will ever be hired by DOE.
It isn't as hard as you think, but it isn't walking into mcdonalds. Get your name in young, get your foot in the door.
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Old 07-11-2016, 12:09 PM
 
Location: new yawk zoo
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It isn't as hard as you think, but it isn't walking into mcdonalds. Get your name in young, get your foot in the door.
I'll admit I am a bit less familiar with custodial services. I do know NYC's DOE hiring practices, that take years to get in. If LI is anything like how they hire teachers, it would be a glass wall trying to get through.
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Old 07-11-2016, 12:35 PM
 
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I'll admit I am a bit less familiar with custodial services. I do know NYC's DOE hiring practices, that take years to get in. If LI is anything like how they hire teachers, it would be a glass wall trying to get through.
Depends, my wife got into the DOE w/o subbing or working 1 day in the DOE. She had a connection got a interview w/ a demo got hired.
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Old 07-11-2016, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Tierra del Encanto
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Why is it that people in unions so often assume that taxpayers are jealous when these outlandish salaries are talked about? It's not jealousy, it's frustration! If you take a custodial job for example, the average pay in the US is $10.50 an hour. We pay school district custodians $75K+ to do brainy work like mop floors and clean toilets. It's crazy and everyone knows we're being hosed. No services taxpayers receive here are priced appropriately.

Let's say for example a pizza costs $14.99 everywhere, and here it's $89.99 and you're *forced* to buy this overpriced pizza. The logic they use here is to say, go open a pizzeria of your own if it bothers you and don't begrudge the pizzeria owner. And once the pizzeria owner is finished making pizzas, he gets paid for those pizzas he made until he croaks (and his wife gets a cut of the pension action until she croaks as well).

This totally lopsided pay scale bears no resemblance to a normal value based economy. It's totally skewed and off the rails, but okay because the taxpayer picks up the tab, right?
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Old 07-11-2016, 03:49 PM
 
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As long as they are not teaching common core, they should be paid greatly for Actually teaching. What happens when teachers make high 20s or 30s in places like Florida? The kids end up suffering in the entire region which is what Common core was meant to do in the name of world equality.

This subject is perfect for the saying you get what you pay for.
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