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Old 11-29-2016, 09:07 AM
 
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Trolling the left is just too easy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag...on_Act_of_2005
Why does everything have to be right and left with you? We have atleast 4 years to laugh at Donnie. Let's make it bipartisan.
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Old 11-29-2016, 10:41 AM
 
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I know you're incredibly obtuse, but if you can't understand the distinction between a law that would have prohibited burning or otherwise destroying and damaging the US flag with the primary purpose of intimidation or inciting immediate violence and an unconstitutional blanket prohibition on flag burning, then you are truly helpless.
I know you're a fan of calling your opponents obtuse, but do you understand the distinction between a bill proposed by a Senator and a tweet?
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Old 11-29-2016, 10:44 AM
 
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Why does everything have to be right and left with you? We have atleast 4 years to laugh at Donnie. Let's make it bipartisan.
Because this is what Trump does. He constantly trolls the media and ends up dominating the news cycle with whatever he wants, because they can't help taking the bait. The left's failure to understand how he operates is one of the reasons they lost. And they are showing no sign of learning from their mistakes.
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Old 11-29-2016, 11:03 AM
 
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I know you're a fan of calling your opponents obtuse, but do you understand the distinction between a bill proposed by a Senator and a tweet?
Of course, but the original point was that the Tweet from the President-Elect was not very Presidential. Your response was to suggest that Clinton (who has nothing to do with anything at this point) supported the same proposition, which was untrue. So what's your point?
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Old 11-29-2016, 11:20 AM
 
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Because this is what Trump does. He constantly trolls the media and ends up dominating the news cycle with whatever he wants, because they can't help taking the bait. The left's failure to understand how he operates is one of the reasons they lost. And they are showing no sign of learning from their mistakes.
How is that endearing or even commendable? Why do people like him?
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Old 11-29-2016, 11:29 AM
 
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Of course, but the original point was that the Tweet from the President-Elect was not very Presidential. Your response was to suggest that Clinton (who has nothing to do with anything at this point) supported the same proposition, which was untrue. So what's your point?
Texas vs johnson would have made a lot more sense.
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Old 11-29-2016, 11:38 AM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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Conflating several issues.

School vouchers in the current context have absolutely nothing to do with public school district to public school district student transfers. (They are public to private school constructs)
I admit to having written 'school choice/vouchers' based upon ChalkItUp's post.

School choice is currently law in Florida. Students can attend any PUBLIC school provided there is space.

Vouchers take money from the public school system and shift it to private schools, undermining a school district's funding. When this money is removed from the school's funding, how does a district meet it's budget obligations? Fire teachers? Increase property taxes?
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Old 11-29-2016, 11:51 AM
 
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Fire teachers? Increase property taxes?
Uh oh.........this should be good.
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Old 11-29-2016, 01:59 PM
 
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Of course, but the original point was that the Tweet from the President-Elect was not very Presidential. Your response was to suggest that Clinton (who has nothing to do with anything at this point) supported the same proposition, which was untrue. So what's your point?
Because no one except pedantic boors are arguing the logistics of how flag burning should be banned, the point is that both advocated it. Trump practices something called pacing and leading, which is a persuasion technique. He starts with an a more extreme position - banning Muslim immigration, or revoking citizenship for flag burners - and then, once his supporters have agreed with him, he moderates - banning immigration from terrorist states coupled with more extreme vetting. I expect that this is a preamble to making flag burning a minor crime, perhaps in the manner that Clinton supported.

It also has the effect of utterly dominating the news cycle. He can tweet way faster than they can possibly keep the outrage going on any one topic. It's like a DDOS attack on the media.

Or maybe I'm wrong and he's just a dummy and his supporters are all dummies and Russian spies. Have you noticed that his "dumbness" made him president? At what point do you wonder if any of it was skill?
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Old 11-29-2016, 03:44 PM
 
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Because no one except pedantic boors are arguing the logistics of how flag burning should be banned, the point is that both advocated it. Trump practices something called pacing and leading, which is a persuasion technique. He starts with an a more extreme position - banning Muslim immigration, or revoking citizenship for flag burners - and then, once his supporters have agreed with him, he moderates - banning immigration from terrorist states coupled with more extreme vetting. I expect that this is a preamble to making flag burning a minor crime, perhaps in the manner that Clinton supported.

It also has the effect of utterly dominating the news cycle. He can tweet way faster than they can possibly keep the outrage going on any one topic. It's like a DDOS attack on the media.

Or maybe I'm wrong and he's just a dummy and his supporters are all dummies and Russian spies. Have you noticed that his "dumbness" made him president? At what point do you wonder if any of it was skill?
Your point seems to be that Trump espouses a bunch of meaningless garbage to grab media attention but we should trust that he will tack to a reasonable position. Decidedly unpresidential (which was the original point) and terrible from a policy standpoint. If you wanted a shock jock in the Oval Office, you should have voted for Howard Stern. I really do found it odd that you applaud Trump for dominating the news cycle by saying outrageous and offensive things. We need him to run the country and preserve its stature as a world leader and hegemon, not spend his time attacking people like Rosie O'Donnell on twitter.

But I enjoy watching you try to embrace the "dumb" moniker (in connection with your reference to "pedantic boors", ironically) to try to cast yourself as a victim of the oppressive leftist educated elite. Newsflash - Trump is the President-elect and what HRC did or did not do in 2005 has literally no relevance to Trump's suggestion that flag burning should result in jail time (in violation of the 1st Amendment) or the stripping of citizenship (in violation of the 14th Amendment). The election is over and Trump's proposals, achievements and failures stand on their own.

And, by the way, making flag burning a "minor crime" would still be Unconstitutional. I also don't understand how one could be a conservative while simultaneously embracing more centralized and increased governmental power (in the form of a more authoritarian President) and "politically correct" oppression of offensive speech (flag burning), but whatever. It's not like your arguments make sense anyway.
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