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Old 12-08-2016, 06:32 AM
 
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The bigger question is why do Cops and Fireman get OT and Pensions at all?

The majority of private companies all employees over a certain dollar amount are exempt and most firms do not give pensions.

A 100K a year job that does not require college in Suffolk with amazing health care, tons of vacations and sick days do you think if they stopped giving pensions there would be no candidates? Heck get rid of OT and Medical after retirement you would still have a lot of candidates
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Old 12-08-2016, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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^ Because they "negotiated" for it.

I respect cops for what they have to do, but what a huge steaming pile of crock. Unions = organized bullying, with no regard for who they hurt.
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Old 12-08-2016, 07:27 AM
 
Location: Tierra del Encanto
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Unions = organized bullying, with no regard for who they hurt.
Public sector unions = organized to hurt the taxpayers.
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Old 12-08-2016, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Inis Fada
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Let's not blast the people who get up and go to work every day too hard. Getting paid for unused sick time is common, but could be negotiated away.
The idea behind sick time is to have paid time off to allow for an employee to recuperate when the employee is sick. Who wants a sick fire fighter or police officer responding to a call, their illness preventing them from committing their full attention and physical strength to the emergency at hand? Banking sick time for pay at retirement ensures that sick employees will be on the job.
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Old 12-08-2016, 07:52 AM
 
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Default O/T is overtime

should not be calculated in pension.

We pay the NCPD administrators to manage their staff. If O/T is warranted it is warranted.

(Although I do have to tsk tsk when I see NCPD officers at a local parade blocking traffic when an auxillary would suffice)

However, if it is O/T it is just that and should not go toward their high 3. Should be based upon contractually negotiated maximum salary for whatever rank and years they attained.

Having said that why aren't the contracts public information?
I'd like to see exactly what we're paying for.
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Old 12-08-2016, 08:31 AM
 
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^ Because they "negotiated" for it.

I respect cops for what they have to do, but what a huge steaming pile of crock. Unions = organized bullying, with no regard for who they hurt.
Actually they did not. The union and political machine negotiated it.

in real world each individual worker negotiates his salary
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Old 12-08-2016, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Nassau County
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should not be calculated in pension.

We pay the NCPD administrators to manage their staff. If O/T is warranted it is warranted.

(Although I do have to tsk tsk when I see NCPD officers at a local parade blocking traffic when an auxillary would suffice)

However, if it is O/T it is just that and should not go toward their high 3. Should be based upon contractually negotiated maximum salary for whatever rank and years they attained.

Having said that why aren't the contracts public information?
I'd like to see exactly what we're paying for.

OT for new hires (Tier 6) is now capped in their high 3 calculation.


NYSLRS — Tier 6 Benefit Information
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Old 12-08-2016, 08:40 AM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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Nothing is wrong with cops getting OT, but there needs to be some type of accountability. Margos's recent report showed OT skyrocketed over the last couple years in Nassau, even with the hiring of more officers, it is higher now than it was immediately after Sandy (a time considerable ot was certainly needed). The bulk of the ot is coming from those at or near retirement time on the force. Higher ot in those last few years jumps pension costs. There use to be a cap on the payout retiring cops could receive that was put in place during the Suozzi admun (two years salary) which was removed by Mangani, which resulted in even higher payouts at retirement.
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Old 12-08-2016, 08:45 AM
 
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A cop working in the relatively peaceful precincts of Nassau and Suffolk Counties, given all their incredible benefits, should top out at 100K. That's it. Not a dollar more.
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Old 12-08-2016, 09:28 AM
 
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They probably make the overtime budgets high to begin with on purpose. Forget about including it in the pension, lets go back a few decades.
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