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Old 10-08-2019, 02:57 PM
 
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Brooklyn is on Long Island! Employing Low end geography skills will never change that! Major league sports teams need to play in a POPULATION CENTER. Only minor league teams work in a suburb such as Nassau. Belmont may be a harder location to reach than Nassau, traffic nightmare that will ensure small crowds and NO CORPORATE SUPPORT. Bad situation!
the situation can not be corrected?
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Old 10-08-2019, 03:02 PM
 
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Brooklyn is on Long Island! Employing Low end geography skills will never change that! Major league sports teams need to play in a POPULATION CENTER. Only minor league teams work in a suburb such as Nassau. Belmont may be a harder location to reach than Nassau, traffic nightmare that will ensure small crowds and NO CORPORATE SUPPORT. Bad situation!
No on Brooklyn = Long Island to anyone with half a sense of demographics.
Yes on islanders being a minor league franchise in a a major market. Mostly because of the arena. The Coliseum is an old, upstate type, War Memorial style dumparoo and Barclays is intentionally anti-hockey as it was designed SOLELY for the Nets, NEVER for hockey. That's a tangible and real problem that supersedes ALL others as it relates to sitelines, sponsorships, corporate sales, ad sales, etc. It's a killer and they knew it, they just had no choice. NHL would not televise games from the Coliseum until basic fixes were made. Instead of a real rebuild like the lighthouse project, we were forced by political hacks and cronies to pony up for lipstick on an old War Memorial styled pig. A virtual non-starter for all of the tangibles above.

Now Belmont looks like it will be world class, is in the location of a world class track that pulls in big attendance for events and is (arguably) IN Long Island (as opposed to on it like Brooklyn). It's decently situated to attract new fans and still pull the old fish stick loser horde (heh heh).

The rest is up to the Islanders. Like any major market team, if they win they will draw, fans, revenue, corporate support, all of it. If they lose. None of it. It's not Vegas. They won't sell out just because expats and tourists need something to do and casinos give out free tickets. It will take an engaged fan base.

The optimistic difference is the new owners mean business and have shown deep pockets, connections and desire to win. Their hires for GM and coach made that clear. Wang was trying to stay afloat and taking the losses as tax write-offs. That's not happening now. On the flipside, if they have ticket prices like MSG on day one, people will stay away. LI doesn't have NYC salaries and people won;t pay NYC ticket prices. Let's see how the new owners deal with that reality.

Still. They are the Islanders, building a hockey arena in an Afro-Asian neighborhood on the Queens border. What could go wrong?! lol

Let's Go Rangers!
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Old 10-08-2019, 05:13 PM
 
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A fancy arena and such is not going to make the Islanders a better team.
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Old 10-09-2019, 06:17 AM
 
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A fancy arena and such is not going to make the Islanders a better team.
They were a decent team last season. Certainly better than the Rangers were.
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Old 10-09-2019, 06:20 AM
 
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Brooklyn is on Long Island! Employing Low end geography skills will never change that! Major league sports teams need to play in a POPULATION CENTER. Only minor league teams work in a suburb such as Nassau. Belmont may be a harder location to reach than Nassau, traffic nightmare that will ensure small crowds and NO CORPORATE SUPPORT. Bad situation!
Lol! Are you kidding me? Stop with the nonsense pointless geography lesson. No one on this planet considers Brooklyn “Long Island”. The islanders were conceived as a suburban team and that what they should stay as it is where their fan base is. And stop with the traffic nightmare there is zero comparison over getting to Elmont over BROOKLYN lol. You must seriously be the only fool who actually thinks they should have stayed in Brooklyn, well they aren’t so deal with it.

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Old 10-09-2019, 12:16 PM
 
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Lol! Are you kidding me? Stop with the nonsense pointless geography lesson. No one on this planet considers Brooklyn “Long Islandâ€. The islanders were conceived as a suburban team and that what they should stay as it is where their fan base is. And stop with the traffic nightmare there is zero comparison over getting to Elmont over BROOKLYN lol. You must seriously be the only fool who actually thinks they should have stayed in Brooklyn, well they aren’t so deal with it.
Considering thirty consecutive seasons of bottom five attendance AND bottom five average ticket price the initial conception of the Islanders 50 years ago as a suburban Nassau / Suffolk only team is outdated, a long-term failure and and model repeatedly proven as a fiasco. To continue like this is insanity. Islanders need to assume an identity similar to the Mets - a Long Island team that includes the ENTIRE Island including Queens & Brooklyn mix in some corporate revenue for the sake of competing in the modern era.

It is a shame to see the team struggle on and off the ice for DECADES because they stubbornly only market to Nassau / Suffolk. 50 years ago it was not widely known that only minor league sports clubs would based based on suburbs - we know that now. A declining demographic whose legacy fanbase is largely in the sunbelt and elderly. There is no way they can compete against the other clubs when they are suffering from only a fraction of the revenue. An arena in Brooklyn or Queens and a CHANGE MANAGEMENT program to adjust their identity to modern times is obligatory.

Last night was another depressing loss in front of an dismally empty Nassau coliseum - this is the way it has been there since the 1980s. Just sad that this reality is ignored.
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Old 10-09-2019, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Nassau County
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Considering thirty consecutive seasons of bottom five attendance AND bottom five average ticket price the initial conception of the Islanders 50 years ago as a suburban Nassau / Suffolk only team is outdated, a long-term failure and and model repeatedly proven as a fiasco. To continue like this is insanity. Islanders need to assume an identity similar to the Mets - a Long Island team that includes the ENTIRE Island including Queens & Brooklyn mix in some corporate revenue for the sake of competing in the modern era.

It is a shame to see the team struggle on and off the ice for DECADES because they stubbornly only market to Nassau / Suffolk. 50 years ago it was not widely known that only minor league sports clubs would based based on suburbs - we know that now. A declining demographic whose legacy fanbase is largely in the sunbelt and elderly. There is no way they can compete against the other clubs when they are suffering from only a fraction of the revenue. An arena in Brooklyn or Queens and a CHANGE MANAGEMENT program to adjust their identity to modern times is obligatory.

Last night was another depressing loss in front of an dismally empty Nassau coliseum - this is the way it has been there since the 1980s. Just sad that this reality is ignored.
Oh please it’s the 3rd game of the season, they made the playoffs last year. Do you even know what you are talking about? Have you seen the demographics of queens and Brooklyn lately? Here’s a newsflash for you, they don’t watch hockey. Nor did they show up when they were actually in Brooklyn. Marketing to that area is a waste of time, sorry. Bottom line is people with a lot more money and knowledge than you do determined Brooklyn was a big mistake and moving back to the island with a world class arena was the right move.
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Old 10-09-2019, 04:05 PM
 
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Islanders need to assume an identity similar to the Mets - a Long Island team that includes the ENTIRE Island including Queens & Brooklyn mix in some corporate revenue for the sake of competing in the modern era.
Easier said than done. The Mets have been able to maintain a strong following from Brooklyn/Queens because they absorbed many of the legacy Dodger and Giant fans. It's simply not an apples to apples comparison.

The best thing the Islanders can do to grow their fan base is win and win big. That solves a lot of problems.
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Old 10-09-2019, 06:03 PM
 
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Considering thirty consecutive seasons of bottom five attendance AND bottom five average ticket price the initial conception of the Islanders 50 years ago as a suburban Nassau / Suffolk only team is outdated, a long-term failure and and model repeatedly proven as a fiasco. To continue like this is insanity. Islanders need to assume an identity similar to the Mets - a Long Island team that includes the ENTIRE Island including Queens & Brooklyn mix in some corporate revenue for the sake of competing in the modern era.

It is a shame to see the team struggle on and off the ice for DECADES because they stubbornly only market to Nassau / Suffolk. 50 years ago it was not widely known that only minor league sports clubs would based based on suburbs - we know that now. A declining demographic whose legacy fanbase is largely in the sunbelt and elderly. There is no way they can compete against the other clubs when they are suffering from only a fraction of the revenue. An arena in Brooklyn or Queens and a CHANGE MANAGEMENT program to adjust their identity to modern times is obligatory.

Last night was another depressing loss in front of an dismally empty Nassau coliseum - this is the way it has been there since the 1980s. Just sad that this reality is ignored.
The had an arena in Brooklyn and marketed heavily to Brooklyn their first year there. Remember the hideous black jerseys, the changing of the goal sound, the push to being part of the cool upcoming Brooklyn hipster scene? Well it failed miserably to the point that Barclays is happy to get rid of their payments to the Islanders. So your idea is to build another arena in Queens in addition to MSG, Barclays, Coli and Belmont??

Attendance sucked last night. Season ticket holders were not allowed to buy just Coli tickets so many dropped their tickets. Secondly the game was moved from Barclays to Coli on short notice and it was the night before Yom Kippur. A good percentage of Long Island in general and Islander fans in particular are Jewish.

Belmont isn't just about the Islanders. Shopping, hotel and updating of the race track are all in store and honestly are more important than just the Islanders.
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Old 10-09-2019, 06:28 PM
 
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IMO they have one of the best logos in the NHL. They really should have avoided going to Barclays.

Now what would have really made things interesting is if they secured land and built an arena in downtown Hempstead within walking distance to the LIRR. Hempstead would have outpaced White Plains were that to happen. Imagine all that outside money coming in.
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