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Old 12-21-2019, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Nassau County
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Border Apprehensions have been included in every President's #'s, it has nothing to do with Obama. Also, King's district wasn't gerrymandered to include Brentwood. The courts drew the lines last time after the Democratic Assembly and Republican Senate couldn't agree on a map. If anything the 2000's version of the district was gerrymandered (look at the carve out in SW Suffolk and east central Nassau removing Jericho & Plainview). FWIW, the 2000's version was more of an Incumbent protection gerrymander that the Democratic Assembly and GOP State Senate agreed on and made both King & Israel's districts safer for each side.
False, although they’ve of course been counted in the past, interior removals were not typically lumped in with VR’s and counted as Deportations. The Obama admin touted those early numbers to show he could be “tough” on the border to get immigration reform through. Activists also jumped on this and slapped the BS “deporter in chief” label on him to try to push reform. It didn’t work. VRs at the border are Not legally deportations and should not count as such.

Interesting, so it was a (I’m sure) left wing NY judge that gerrymandered him. Semantics.

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Old 12-21-2019, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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False, although they’ve of course been counted in the past, interior removals were not typically lumped in with VR’s and counted as Deportations. The Obama admin touted those early numbers to show he could be “tough” on the border to get immigration reform through. Activists also jumped on this and slapped the BS “deporter in chief” label on him to try to push reform. It didn’t work. VRs at the border are Not legally deportations and should not count as such.

Interesting, so it was a (I’m sure) left wing NY judge that gerrymandered him. Semantics.
No, it was actually a mixed panel of Federal Judges. The current district isn't a gerrymander and is actually a fairer and more compact drawn district than the one he represented in the 2000's

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Old 12-21-2019, 08:13 PM
 
Location: Nassau County
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No, it was actually a mixed panel of Federal Judges. The current district isn't a gerrymander and is actually a fairer and more compact drawn district than the one he represented in the 2000's

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The three judge panel appointed a democrat and Clinton appointee to draw the map:

“Roanne L. (Ronnie) Mann, the magistrate judge assigned yesterday to oversee the state's redistricting process, is a registered Democrat, according to city records, and a "very smart, but humorless jurist," according to an attorney who spent years dealing with her in one high-profile case.”


It was such a hatchet gerrymandering job the GOP sued over it as did several other groups and of course ended up losing.
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Old 12-24-2019, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Long Island (chief in S Farmingdale)
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The three judge panel appointed a democrat and Clinton appointee to draw the map:

“Roanne L. (Ronnie) Mann, the magistrate judge assigned yesterday to oversee the state's redistricting process, is a registered Democrat, according to city records, and a "very smart, but humorless jurist," according to an attorney who spent years dealing with her in one high-profile case.”


It was such a hatchet gerrymandering job the GOP sued over it as did several other groups and of course ended up losing.

Which version is more compact? Which version is more of a Gerrymander??





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Old 12-26-2019, 09:48 AM
 
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Yes...many were arrested and arraigned, but thanks to the legislature and our esteem governor all but 2 were incarcerated. The rest walked out the door thank you bail reform!
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Old 12-26-2019, 05:39 PM
 
Location: Nassau County
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Yes...many were arrested and arraigned, but thanks to the legislature and our esteem governor all but 2 were incarcerated. The rest walked out the door thank you bail reform!
Incorrect the stupid bail reform luckily didn’t apply to them:

Nearly all of those arrested under the new indictment will be held without bail despite a lax new bail statute, because they’ve been hit with the non-bail-eligible charge of murder conspiracy, Sini said.
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Old 12-26-2019, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Huntington
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I just heard today that in order to join MS-13 you have to kill at least 4 people. How true is that? Or did someone become creative?
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Old 12-27-2019, 12:25 AM
 
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I just heard today that in order to join MS-13 you have to kill at least 4 people. How true is that? Or did someone become creative?
Not only that, you have to kill them with...
A herring!
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Old 12-28-2019, 06:47 AM
 
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Not only that, you have to kill them with...
A herring!
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Old 01-04-2020, 03:41 AM
 
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I think I heard this a while back on the This American Life podcast about the MS-13 problem, but here is their reason why the problem was allowed to fester, IIRC:

The Federal Gang Task Force and the Suffolk County Gang Task Force used to have a good working relationship. However, when Suffolk County Police Chief Jimmy "Bag of Dildos stolen from my Police Vehicle" Burke and Suffolk County District Attorney Thomas "Corrupt" Spota started being investigated by the Feds they stopped cooperating with the Federal Gang Task Force out of spite.

No information was being shared with the Federal Gang Task Force. Crimes committed by MS-13 stopped being classified as gang activity. People murdered and left out in the woods were classified as runaways instead of murders. Suffolk cops stopped investigating crimes as having possible MS-13 connections. The dots weren't being connected and the Suffolk cops couldn't figure it out and/or were just lazy.

After James Burke, Thomas Spota, and their crew were gone the relationship between the Federal Gang Task Force and the Suffolk County Gang Task Force is working once again.

If you want to listen to the episode this is it:

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/657/the-runaways
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