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Cuomo THINKS the PLATEAU is near because hospitals are releasing more people then they are admitting but he can't manage to connect the fact that is because nurses and caretakes are quitting, getting sick themselves and boycotting so there aren't enough people to care for new admissions so they are telling people to care for themselves at home UNLESS they can not breath on their own. They are also not discharging CURED patients - they are only discharging patients that no longer need ICU and telling them to self treat at home PLUS insurance will not continue paying for them to stay in the hospital so ready or not - discharge is recommended or patients are leaving AMA because they can't afford to stay.
Then he says - well, when we get rapid testing in place - if you test negative - you can go back to work. Seriously? People who are SICK are not getting tested because not only are there not enough test kits to go around but nobody wants to put themselves in an environment where 20 people are present because they THINK they MIGHT have covid19. If you didn't then, you surely will when you leave - AFTER you are tested. Talk about your false negative.
If you stayed in the house instead of running around like nothing is wrong and only went out when you had to wearing protective gear, and social distancing, and using wipes and lysol - and you were able to keep yourself healthy and your family safe - our reward is now to go out there - back into the workplace and on mass transit and risk our good health to keep the economy going? Since when did healthy people enlist in the front lines? That kind of idiotic thinking assures that whoever thus far has managed to stay healthy - will get sick and start to infect their entire household. And where is the scientific proof that you can not get reinfected?
Mass transit appears to be an incubator. The subways are still jammed packed. The LIRR is only running trains hourly into the city and brooklyn and creating overcrowding situations. People are brushed up against other people - who have no insurance and aren't getting treated or tested and although their symptoms might be mild - are still spreading the virus like crazy. Too many people are not wearing gloves and masks or using sanitizing wipes. Testing NEGATIVE is not an invitation to go back out there and keep the economy going.
Let them first prove you can not get reinfected and how long the contagious factor lasts - then let those who tested POSITIVE and are now exhibiting NO SYMPTOMS and can not longer infect anyone else - have THOSE guinea pigs go out and reinvigorate the economy.
Hell will freeze over before I allow any one of my family members to risk going to get tested to prove they are HEALTHY so they can go back to work. And how will that work exactly? Forcing people to prove they are NOT sick with COVID19 to continue getting paid by work to stay home or continue getting unemployment benefits?
How about making people AGREE to honor shelter in place guidelines BEFORE getting paid or getting those benefits and to stay OFF mass transit BEFORE they can be allowed to stay HOME?
What a mess of things we've made. And Trump with his - States have to bid against other States to buy life saving protective gear - including - bidding up masks directly from the Chinese is stupidity in its finest. The little boy is now "tired" of shelter at home and wants to pretend - its all ok - let's all go back to work now.
He also said that the BENEFIT is that the crime rate is down. Sure, The RATE of crimes being report will go down - but that's because Cuomo removed the protections the complainants and witnesses had and said they the accused have a right to know who they are and where they live. So crimes will again surge - but the rate of reported crimes will go down.
And I have been reading the NYC thread - quality of life crimes have skyrocketed. NYC thread - people still having to use the subways to get to work are complaining that the panhandlers on the trains have increased trifold because their "business" is down and people will just throw a bill on the seat to keep these people from spitting on them or approaching too close. Homeless sleeping across benches are getting whole cars to themselves while other cars are overcrowded. And the LIRR decreasing of train frequency and cutting down whole lines have led to overcrowding at hubs where people are complaining of much higher incidents of pick pockets while transferring trains at main HUBS - which some people are complaining they have to do twice in one trip - sometimes having to go East to head West and vice versa.
Last edited by chattyneighbor; 04-05-2020 at 11:09 AM..
hospitals are releasing more people then they are admitting
Yep they are not admitting folks with Covid for sure.
Some percentage of the Folks they won't admit go home, get sick, go into crisis, and die before they get admitted.
Asymptomatic carriers
and the "back to work imperative" one of two bad choices
a) Stay at home to prevent illness and you kill the economy which kills people
b) Send people work work which kills people and then the economy dies
the worst choice of all
trying to walk the line between bad choice a and bad choice b
Cuomo THINKS the PLATEAU is near because hospitals are releasing more people then they are admitting but he can't manage to connect the fact that is because nurses and caretakes are quitting, getting sick themselves and boycotting so there aren't enough people to care for new admissions so they are telling people to care for themselves at home UNLESS they can not breath on their own. They are also not discharging CURED patients - they are only discharging patients that no longer need ICU and telling them to self treat at home PLUS insurance will not continue paying for them to stay in the hospital so ready or not - discharge is recommended or patients are leaving AMA because they can't afford to stay.
Then he says - well, when we get rapid testing in place - if you test negative - you can go back to work. Seriously? People who are SICK are not getting tested because not only are there not enough test kits to go around but nobody wants to put themselves in an environment where 20 people are present because they THINK they MIGHT have covid19. If you didn't then, you surely will when you leave - AFTER you are tested. Talk about your false negative.
If you stayed in the house instead of running around like nothing is wrong and only went out when you had to wearing protective gear, and social distancing, and using wipes and lysol - and you were able to keep yourself healthy and your family safe - our reward is now to go out there - back into the workplace and on mass transit and risk our good health to keep the economy going? Since when did healthy people enlist in the front lines? That kind of idiotic thinking assures that whoever thus far has managed to stay healthy - will get sick and start to infect their entire household. And where is the scientific proof that you can not get reinfected?
Mass transit appears to be an incubator. The subways are still jammed packed. The LIRR is only running trains hourly into the city and brooklyn and creating overcrowding situations. People are brushed up against other people - who have no insurance and aren't getting treated or tested and although their symptoms might be mild - are still spreading the virus like crazy. Too many people are not wearing gloves and masks or using sanitizing wipes. Testing NEGATIVE is not an invitation to go back out there and keep the economy going.
Let them first prove you can not get reinfected and how long the contagious factor lasts - then let those who tested POSITIVE and are now exhibiting NO SYMPTOMS and can not longer infect anyone else - have THOSE guinea pigs go out and reinvigorate the economy.
Hell will freeze over before I allow any one of my family members to risk going to get tested to prove they are HEALTHY so they can go back to work. And how will that work exactly? Forcing people to prove they are NOT sick with COVID19 to continue getting paid by work to stay home or continue getting unemployment benefits?
How about making people AGREE to honor shelter in place guidelines BEFORE getting paid or getting those benefits and to stay OFF mass transit BEFORE they can be allowed to stay HOME?
What a mess of things we've made. And Trump with his - States have to bid against other States to buy life saving protective gear - including - bidding up masks directly from the Chinese is stupidity in its finest. The little boy is now "tired" of shelter at home and wants to pretend - its all ok - let's all go back to work now.
He also said that the BENEFIT is that the crime rate is down. Sure, The RATE of crimes being report will go down - but that's because Cuomo removed the protections the complainants and witnesses had and said they the accused have a right to know who they are and where they live. So crimes will again surge - but the rate of reported crimes will go down.
And I have been reading the NYC thread - quality of life crimes have skyrocketed. NYC thread - people still having to use the subways to get to work are complaining that the panhandlers on the trains have increased trifold because their "business" is down and people will just throw a bill on the seat to keep these people from spitting on them or approaching too close. Homeless sleeping across benches are getting whole cars to themselves while other cars are overcrowded. And the LIRR decreasing of train frequency and cutting down whole lines have led to overcrowding at hubs where people are complaining of much higher incidents of pick pockets while transferring trains at main HUBS - which some people are complaining they have to do twice in one trip - sometimes having to go East to head West and vice versa.
So what do you expect to do? Stay locked inside hoping not to get the virus for 18 months while the economy completely collapses?
This model does predict the peak in New York state in four days. Of course, a model is just a model, but it does give a range of best and worst case scenarios with a middle-road projection
So sorry for what is happening in the New York City metropolitan area. It is frightening to watch from a distance, and I know it is very tough to be there. My wife (microbiology lab in a hospital) and daughter (nurse in Pensacola) are both health care workers, and it is scary even with them not being in hot zone areas yet.
This model does predict the peak in New York state in four days. Of course, a model is just a model, but it does give a range of best and worst case scenarios with a middle-road projection
So sorry for what is happening in the New York City metropolitan area. It is frightening to watch from a distance, and I know it is very tough to be there. My wife (microbiology lab in a hospital) and daughter (nurse in Pensacola) are both health care workers, and it is scary even with them not being in hot zone areas yet.
Too bad (as of now) the model hasn’t been updated in 4 days. Kind of useless right now.
Fauci can’t be the one to decide when to reopen the economy. He wasn’t elected president and can only offer advice, and he was wrong before in January when he said the country was at low risk for the virus. People won’t put up with six months of this.
End of April for NY, a week or so later for rest of country is my prediction. June much better and not normal but not as locked down.
I think you are dead on
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