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Originally Posted by jbgusa
This is a picture of the New York Times headline on Sunday, May 24, 2020. This isn't fear-mongering? It preceded three or so pages of single-print listing of approximately 98,000 Covid deaths. There were no adjustments for co-morbidity. Or listing of the far greater number of asymptomatic or recovered people.
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Originally Posted by 2sleepy
It didn't frighten me, it made me sad... we honored and grieved together for the victims of 9/11, but the 100,000 who died from Covis are discussed as though they are statistics and then it's insinuated maybe they don't count at all because after all "they had co-morbidity" and well, they would have died anyway so we just don't need to know their names.
That attitude is a stain on our nation. We've never talked about victims of mass casualties as being expendable because "oh well, they were old or sick anyway" but we do with these victims and the reason is glaringly obvious, it's so that we will all gleefully march off to our workplaces and pretend that covid-19 is a hoax
Haven't seen that attitude but I have seen folks put things in context...in other words, an out of control epidemic of Ebola with folks dropping like flies is one thing and seasonal flu is another. And this Covid-19 is different still. Contextualization, criticizing an overreaction, and pointing to fear-mongering is not the same as saying "oh well, they were old or sick anyway".
What is this "living in fear" nonsense coming from? I don't live in fear but I don't go around kissing strangers or sitting on barstools next to them. If you are so brave then go to a park and hug homeless people and volunteer to work on a Covid ward but don't insinuate that people who do their best to avoid contagion are "living in fear"
People who have upended their life routine are living in fear, whether or not it is justified in their mind.
Haven't seen that attitude but I have seen folks put things in context...in other words, an out of control epidemic of Ebola with folks dropping like flies is one thing and seasonal flu is another. And this Covid-19 is different still. Contextualization, criticizing an overreaction, and pointing to fear-mongering is not the same as saying "oh well, they were old or sick anyway".
You lost me there...are you suggesting that the NY Times list of 1,000 victims of the virus an overreaction or fear mongering? If so, how do we avoid that, assign the dead numbers and only refer to them by their number so as not to frighten people when they realize that over 100k real human beings died?
You lost me there...are you suggesting that the NY Times list of 1,000 victims of the virus an overreaction or fear mongering? If so, how do we avoid that, assign the dead numbers and only refer to them by their number so as not to frighten people when they realize that over 100k real human beings died?
The flu kills nearly that amount every year, an car accidents about 1/2 of that. They don't get front-page news coverage. Nor should they. It's a part of life.
Originally Posted by jbgusa
This is a picture of the New York Times headline on Sunday, May 24, 2020. This isn't fear-mongering? It preceded three or so pages of single-print listing of approximately 98,000 Covid deaths. There were no adjustments for co-morbidity. Or listing of the far greater number of asymptomatic or recovered people.
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Originally Posted by 2sleepy
It didn't frighten me, it made me sad... we honored and grieved together for the victims of 9/11, but the 100,000 who died from Covis are discussed as though they are statistics and then it's insinuated maybe they don't count at all because after all "they had co-morbidity" and well, they would have died anyway so we just don't need to know their names.
That attitude is a stain on our nation. We've never talked about victims of mass casualties as being expendable because "oh well, they were old or sick anyway" but we do with these victims and the reason is glaringly obvious, it's so that we will all gleefully march off to our workplaces and pretend that covid-19 is a hoax
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Originally Posted by Quick Commenter
Haven't seen that attitude but I have seen folks put things in context...in other words, an out of control epidemic of Ebola with folks dropping like flies is one thing and seasonal flu is another. And this Covid-19 is different still. Contextualization, criticizing an overreaction, and pointing to fear-mongering is not the same as saying "oh well, they were old or sick anyway".
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Originally Posted by 2sleepy
You lost me there...are you suggesting that the NY Times list of 1,000 victims of the virus an overreaction or fear mongering? If so, how do we avoid that, assign the dead numbers and only refer to them by their number so as not to frighten people when they realize that over 100k real human beings died?
Contextualization, criticizing an overreaction, and pointing to fear-mongering is neither saying "oh well, they were old or sick anyway" nor wanting to "assign the dead numbers and only refer to them by their number"
The flu kills nearly that amount every year, an car accidents about 1/2 of that. They don't get front-page news coverage. Nor should they. It's a part of life.
Again, utterly myopic.
lol sure thing "utterly myopic" The flu does not kill 100k people a year in the US but Covid did kill 100k in 3 months so your analogy is asinine. Also we have effective flu vaccines so the morbidity rate for influenza could be reduced considerably if more people got vaccinated. And let's not go down the rabbit hole of trying to make car accidents or falling in the bathroom the equivalent of dying from this virus, because in large part people are dying from Covid because of the large number of selfish people who act like 7 year olds and stomp their feet because OMG they were asked to wear a mask in public or stay 6 feet away from people Oh..the horror of having to follow a few simple rules
The flu kills nearly that amount every year, an car accidents about 1/2 of that. They don't get front-page news coverage. Nor should they. It's a part of life.
Again, utterly myopic.
Actually, utterly silly and ignorant. The flu and car accidents are accounted for by actuarials in every walk of society every year and it lays the groundwork for most strategic planning. COVID was not factored for, considered or even a fart in the breeze of human concern (well, except to Democrats in 2014 who started putting infrastructure in place), but I don't want to make it too confusing for the folks on here.
It's a little more than that and you know it. We have 30M+ unemployed, people defaulting on their mortgages/not able to pay rent/not able to put food on the table, a wrecked world economy that may take years if not decades to recover, destroyed local businesses, skyrocketing suicide and drug/alcohol abuse, people dying from otherwise preventable causes because they're too scared to go to the hospital, kids being deprived of the social interaction and skilled guidance of school, people not able to practice their faith, people suffering because they can't get the "elective" knee surgery that will enable them to walk again, children and spouses locked in their home with their abusers, and just pure desperation setting in.
You don't care about these people. You care about yourself, and people like you. Typical selfish boomer attitude. A generation that destroyed this once great country, now trying to wreck it further. If there's any silver lining to this disease, it is the demographics of its victims.
The Spanish Flu and the Great Depression occurred more or less around the same time. The Spanish Flu was far worse than this will ever be. Guess which one people still talked about for generations after?
Ok, let's try to cut through the nonsense and talk about reality. You could open every business and end all covid related restrictions tomorrow and it would not fix the economy. People have to feel safe to be willing to go to bars and restaurants, or even their workplace.
And I know it's such fun to poke at me and claim that I'm just another old fart who likes to complain, but the reality is that around 50% of the adult population has some risk factor for covid and most of them are unwilling to take one for the team, so what ever solutions we come up with have to account for the fact that for most people death by covid is not on their bucket list
The Spanish Flu and the Great Depression occurred more or less around the same time. The Spanish Flu was far worse than this will ever be. Guess which one people still talked about for generations after?
Are you really alluding to the Great Depression being related to the Spanish Flu? First, they are more than a decade apart. Or are you talking about the depression of 20/21? It's interesting to look at as it totally supports this economic disaster being the fault of the fed more than COVID. In WWI the Fed began printing $ to pay for the war effort because Congress would not authorize taxing to pay for it. That is when the crap really began. 10 years later after the biggest "fake" boom of it's time, the market tanked and the great depression took hold. Today? 32m file for unemployment, S&P 500 re-testing record highs! Hmmm?
How does that parallel now? A divided govt? Check. Massive debt from 20+ years of war time money printing gulf war, war on terror, war on drugs? Check. Massive debt and freedom heist after 9/11 and massive spending/debt? Check. Addditional debt from 2008 crash money printing? Check. Additional debt from "great economy" money printing 2017-2020? Check.
We were heading to a depression anyway, in fact we still are. COVID and our ham-fisted response to it is just a part of it. Our immune system was shot from globalism, trickle down, corporate welfare, looting of GDP, excessive wealth inequality, endless foreign wars, and on and on.
And the reason Spanish Flu was "far worse" is because there was no concerted effort to do anything about it, probably because it was 1918 and well, science in 2020 is different. So are communication and foreign relations. So are politics. Mores the pity.
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