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We don’t know who has natural immunity and the level
just as we don't know the immunity level of a vaccinated person
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..the antibody test that is used says nothing about the level of immunity you have
nor would it for the vaccinated person
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…it only indicates you had come in contact with the viral protein .
do you think it would give more/better information for a vaccinated person vs an unvaccinated person who had the virus?
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Actual immunity level testing is done via specialized testing called an immunity binding test and is very expensive testing which is not done typically nor can most labs do it
While your claims may be true, they say absolutely nothing about the immunity level of a vaccinated person vs that of a person who has previously been infected.
While it seems the politically correct thing is to ignore those with natural immunity, the science doesn't support your view. Fortunately, more scientists are pushing back against the mob and speaking out on this (such as the recently released Cleveland Clinic study).
The fact that the government and media go out of their way to ignore the topic of natural immunity is troubling. It leads to people spouting uninformed nonsense based on the approved media narrative.
just as we don't know the immunity level of a vaccinated person
nor would it for the vaccinated person
do you think it would give more/better information for a vaccinated person vs an unvaccinated person who had the virus?
While your claims may be true, they say absolutely nothing about the immunity level of a vaccinated person vs that of a person who has previously been infected.
While it seems the politically correct thing is to ignore those with natural immunity, the science doesn't support your view. Fortunately, more scientists are pushing back against the mob and speaking out on this (such as the recently released Cleveland Clinic study).
The fact that the government and media go out of their way to ignore the topic of natural immunity is troubling. It leads to people spouting uninformed nonsense based on the approved media narrative.
Just FYI the Cleveland Clinic released this statement regarding this study:
“Cleveland Clinic recommends those who are eligible receive the COVID-19 vaccine.
We recently shared research that provides insight into how the immune system protects the body after a confirmed COVID-19 infection. The study followed Cleveland Clinic caregivers over five months as the vaccination process was beginning. The data showed that the vaccine was extremely effective in preventing COVID-19 infection. In addition, we found that none of the previously infected employees who remained unvaccinated were re-infected over the duration of the study. This information could help guide vaccination efforts should there be a shortage of vaccine supply and in countries where vaccine supply is limited.
This is still a new virus, and more research is needed. It is important to keep in mind that this study was conducted in a population that was younger and healthier than the general population. In addition, we do not know how long the immune system will protect itself against re-infection after COVID-19. It is safe to receive the COVID-19 vaccine even if you have previously tested positive, and we recommend all those who are eligible receive it.”
Imagine if COVID hit us with a liberal POTUS in charge in 2020. It would have taken many years for a vaccine to be approved, and we would still be in lockdown (liberals love the COVID power grab, just look at king Cuomo). Every liberal including Fauci was stating it was impossible to rollout an effective COVID vaccine in less then 1 year. Multiple liberal POTUS candidates were calling not to trust any vaccine. Now that BIDEN is potus, complete 180 and he is taking FULL credit for the vaccine. Trump's rapid vaccine development is essentially why the crisis is ending and we are returning to normal, but he gets no credit at all. And yes monstermagnet, I know you will call me faux news watching right wing dumbass so don't bother getting your panties in a bunch.
"Oh orange man, give it to me, baby! I'm your toy! Use me! You're the best, big daddy! All others pale compared to your orange man flesh on me. Oh baby! The libthards and radical lefties don't know your loving honesty and effectiveness at all things. You never get credit, like a big boy should and needs! They don't understand you like I do. No dem could ever make a vaccine or end a fiscal crisis, but you, big daddy built a wicked awesome wall, ended Covid in a month and brought the country together in the greatest unification in history! And SMART...hoo boy! I'm just a lowly doctor but would definitely defer to a crooked real estate tycoon like you, big O, for medical advice! Oh yes, orange daddy! I love you so much it hurts! Please be my president again. Pretty please, with a cherry on top."
Yes, you know what you are, I don't even have to say it. Another poster actually said it better than I:
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Originally Posted by Pinche guy
I don’t know about y’all but, color me shocked that a doctor has to lead a fake life so his patients, neighbors and friends don’t have to know about his Newsmax conspiracy takeover.
"Oh orange man, give it to me, baby! I'm your toy! Use me! You're the best, big daddy! All others pale compared to your orange man flesh on me. Oh baby! The libthards and radical lefties don't know your loving honesty and effectiveness at all things. You never get credit, like a big boy should and needs! They don't understand you like I do. No dem could ever make a vaccine or end a fiscal crisis, but you, big daddy built a wicked awesome wall, ended Covid in a month and brought the country together in the greatest unification in history! And SMART...hoo boy! I'm just a lowly doctor but would definitely defer to a crooked real estate tycoon like you, big O, for medical advice! Oh yes, orange daddy! I love you so much it hurts! Please be my president again. Pretty please, with a cherry on top."
Yes, you know what you are, I don't even have to say it. Another poster actually said it better than I:
Dude, I told you to not get your panties in a bunch
Just FYI the Cleveland Clinic released this statement regarding this study:
Which makes no sense at all.
Your own quote from the study stated: "we found that none of the previously infected employees who remained unvaccinated were re-infected over the duration of the study."
Other findings from the study include (bold added):
"...it was observed that the COVID-19 vaccination significantly reduced the risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection in previously uninfected participants but not in previously infected participants."
and
"The study findings reveal that individuals with previous SARS-CoV-2 infection do not get additional benefits from vaccination, indicating that COVID-19 vaccines should be prioritized to individuals without prior infection."
The study concludes there is no benefit from the vaccine (for those previously infected). However small, there is some level of risk associated with the vaccine. It makes no sense to recommend a vaccine based on a study that concludes the vaccine is pointless. That conclusion is NOT supported by the study - it is contradicted by the study.
Since anyone who questions the vaccine is likely to be censored or labeled a nutjob, it is likely that the suggestion is added to avoid cancellation. I have seen the same thing in interviews with other virologists... they discuss the "science" and how natural immunity is as effective as the vaccine... then add on unsubstantiated opinion about getting the vaccine anyway.
just as we don't know the immunity level of a vaccinated person
nor would it for the vaccinated person
do you think it would give more/better information for a vaccinated person vs an unvaccinated person who had the virus?
While your claims may be true, they say absolutely nothing about the immunity level of a vaccinated person vs that of a person who has previously been infected.
While it seems the politically correct thing is to ignore those with natural immunity, the science doesn't support your view. Fortunately, more scientists are pushing back against the mob and speaking out on this (such as the recently released Cleveland Clinic study).
The fact that the government and media go out of their way to ignore the topic of natural immunity is troubling. It leads to people spouting uninformed nonsense based on the approved media narrative.
Vaccinated people will show zero antibodies in a standard viral protein test ..all you have are the instruction set for defeating the virus when it happens …
As far as having covid , you can pay to have an actual binding test which is expensive if you want to know actual natural immunity levels…
That is a different far more complex test then just the viral contact test that is done ..most labs can not perform a binding test so you would need to find a facility that can .
That tests actual response as far as antibodies to fight and not just antibodies that say you had contact
Your own quote from the study stated: "we found that none of the previously infected employees who remained unvaccinated were re-infected over the duration of the study."
Other findings from the study include (bold added):
"...it was observed that the COVID-19 vaccination significantly reduced the risk of SARS-CoV-2 infection in previously uninfected participants but not in previously infected participants."
and
"The study findings reveal that individuals with previous SARS-CoV-2 infection do not get additional benefits from vaccination, indicating that COVID-19 vaccines should be prioritized to individuals without prior infection."
The study concludes there is no benefit from the vaccine (for those previously infected). However small, there is some level of risk associated with the vaccine. It makes no sense to recommend a vaccine based on a study that concludes the vaccine is pointless. That conclusion is NOT supported by the study - it is contradicted by the study.
Since anyone who questions the vaccine is likely to be censored or labeled a nutjob, it is likely that the suggestion is added to avoid cancellation. I have seen the same thing in interviews with other virologists... they discuss the "science" and how natural immunity is as effective as the vaccine... then add on unsubstantiated opinion about getting the vaccine anyway.
The tens of millions of those with natural immunity (had Covid, recovered) are very significant in terms of combatting the virus yet are mysteriously ignored when considering herd immunity Here is one very recent example:
Over 45 percent of U.S. residents have completed their vaccination schedule, a significant improvement but nowhere near the threshold necessary to snuff out the virus in the country. Rates among the youngest adults continue to lag.
Obviously, WAPO is incorrect in their statement. 45% fully vaccinated could be close to herd immunity. Depends on natural immunity.
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