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I think when we talk about union abuses, we're talking about public unions that coincidentally provide huge swaths of votes to local politicians.
Speaking of job security, remember the teacher who ran his car up the sidewalk at the Coram Mickey Dees? He had a syringe still in his arm. He was a teacher in the Connetquot SD. He was relieved of his daily duties but not fired. Try doing that in the private sector.
That's a pretty low end estimate for a white collar professional with experience. I could not imagine making 75K with 2 master's degrees and 20 years experience being classified as average for the course here.
But that's also likely why so many of the high-end wage earners work in Manhattan.
The fact remains that whether teachers have great pensions, bennies etc., no one would want to end up making out at around 75K with that level of education and experience in our high cost area.
we have a few teachers in the family, and a few engineers.
The teachers have Masters degrees from local (some now defunct) colleges, where many of the advanced degrees were obtained by writing papers (many done online). Courses were in early education, child psychology, etc.
The engineers went to schools like Cornell, RPI, and Stevens Tech , had to take advanced courses in things like thermodynamics, physical chemistry, quantum physics.
With all due respect to the teachers out there, I would surmise the undergraduate engineering courses were a bit more challenging than masters courses in elementary education.
Most of the engineers (now in their sixites) are earning 130k-150k without the golden benefits (or higher salaries) of the LI based teachers.
Guess who complains they are underpaid? Hint: not the engineers.
I remember that Eastport south manor teacher who got multiple DWI’s and finally got fired when he drunkenly assaulted a cop but even then it took months for him to finally get canned
There was a time about 40 years ago (at least for NYC) when public service jobs were seen as the bottom of the barrel and looked down upon because of the low pay, I'm guessing this led to corruption to a certain level.
These pensions are a relatively new thing when it comes to municipal labor, it's a big shift in the dynamic from when I was a kid, people climbing over each other for city jobs
Only worse on LI because there's hardly any commercial/manufacturing base to offset the cost of paying out the pensions
Moral of the story is, if you don't like it then move
Tis' all
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There was a time about 40 years ago (at least for NYC) when public service jobs were seen as the bottom of the barrel and looked down upon because of the low pay, I'm guessing this led to corruption to a certain level.
These pensions are a relatively new thing when it comes to municipal labor, it's a big shift in the dynamic from when I was a kid, people climbing over each other for city jobs
Only worse on LI because there's hardly any commercial/manufacturing base to offset the cost of paying out the pensions
Moral of the story is, if you don't like it then move
Tis' all
You realize that its all the same, LI, westchester, NYC, Ulster, doesn't matter what county or SD. All get the same pension. My wife's a NYC teacher, if her pension fund is short $$, guess who pays the difference the NYC tax payer.
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