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I made up my mind years ago (during Obama) that if the liberals gained power and socialized medicine, I would retire early. So I had a 401k target that I expected to achieve at age 50. I'm 46 and I achieved it already (thanks to my 401k shooting up like a rocket the past 4 years before Biden). So I'm off to FLA if NYS mandates children vaccines (but I will still probably work, since I like my profession), or just retire all together if people continue to vote for liberals and medicine ultimately gets socialized. And I'm not alone. If we get socialized medicine, witness a flood of productive doctors retire and your future health care provider will be a NP/PA or fresh med school graduate which knows nothing these days since med school needs to be dumbed down for the snowflakes. Just like the wave of police/firefighters we will see retire early because of insane liberal vaccine mandates.
I made up my mind years ago (during Obama) that if the liberals gained power and socialized medicine, I would retire early. So I had a 401k target that I expected to achieve at age 50. I'm 46 and I achieved it already (thanks to my 401k shooting up like a rocket the past 4 years before Biden). So I'm off to FLA if NYS mandates children vaccines (but I will still probably work, since I like my profession), or just retire all together if people continue to vote for liberals and medicine ultimately gets socialized. And I'm not alone. If we get socialized medicine, witness of flood of productive doctors retire and your future health care provider will be a NP/PA or fresh med school graduate which knows nothing these days since med school needs to be dumbed down for the snowflakes. Just like the wave of police/firefighters we will see retire early because of insane liberal vaccine mandates.
I work with hundreds of doctors in a sales capacity, it's actually terrifying how many have the same thoughts as you. Many of them say if, and when socialized medicine happens, they're done. Young and old, and oddly even some liberal MD's say this. It's always baffling to me, that the average person doesn't get this. Imagine the Karen's screaming, when they can't get into a doctors office when they have a cold. Sorry Karen, no appointments for 6 weeks. No problem, we'll just go to an urgent care. Who's staffing these then? I'd be willing to bet, Atleast 75% of these would be gone. I'm sure the government would staff and fund 6 of these in every town (enter sarcasm).
Under socialized medicine would concierge care be banned?
My son is interested in pursuing a career as a dentist (he’s 11) and I said make sure you offer cosmetic services that patients will pay for themselves. My endocrinologist offers BOTOX and laser hair removal and other anti-aging services for this very reason.
Under socialized medicine would concierge care be banned?
My son is interested in pursuing a career as a dentist (he’s 11) and I said make sure you offer cosmetic services that patients will pay for themselves. My endocrinologist offers BOTOX and laser hair removal and other anti-aging services for this very reason.
It wouldn't be banned, although one ever knows the way things are going. IMO concierge would be in high demand. Those who can, would be willing to pay a premium to see a doctor, instead of going to a government run facility. It would most likely be a cash only thing, where they accepted no insurance. This goes on now in some of the wealthier neighborhoods. I can think of 2 practices in Nassau that do not accept any sort of insurance, you pay in cash up front, and then you're responsible for being reimbursed through your insurance. If he has a practice in a wealthy area, skys the limit! Smart kid at 11
Under socialized medicine would concierge care be banned?
My son is interested in pursuing a career as a dentist (he’s 11) and I said make sure you offer cosmetic services that patients will pay for themselves. My endocrinologist offers BOTOX and laser hair removal and other anti-aging services for this very reason.
Concierge can still exist, unless it is specifically banned (which I doubt they would).
You really think Schumer and Pelosi would go to the socialized gov doctors that see peasants? Hell no, they are going to their concierge MD while you have to wait 6 months to see the government nurse practitioner.
One can’t help noticing a general lack of enthusiasm for the Covid vaxxing of little 5-11 year olds. Including, but not limited to, doctors, scientists, etc. And the general public seems to agree.
And it doesn't help their case that while we keep being told we're in a pandemic, there is no pandemic at this point. Nor has there been for awhile.
I'd say 90% of society has completely moved on with their lives and don't even think about COVID anymore. I can't remember the last person to even express a concern.
Anyone can see in the chart below there was a pandemic. In March-May 2020. But people keep acting like that's the current reality we're living with. We're not. We back to the point where unless you're extremely obese or 75+, driving to work is a bigger threat to your life than COVID. And if you're extremely obese you have a number of current health risks, COVID or not. And that really isn't anyone else's problem.
I made up my mind years ago (during Obama) that if the liberals gained power and socialized medicine, I would retire early. So I had a 401k target that I expected to achieve at age 50. I'm 46 and I achieved it already (thanks to my 401k shooting up like a rocket the past 4 years before Biden). So I'm off to FLA if NYS mandates children vaccines (but I will still probably work, since I like my profession), or just retire all together if people continue to vote for liberals and medicine ultimately gets socialized. And I'm not alone. If we get socialized medicine, witness a flood of productive doctors retire and your future health care provider will be a NP/PA or fresh med school graduate which knows nothing these days since med school needs to be dumbed down for the snowflakes. Just like the wave of police/firefighters we will see retire early because of insane liberal vaccine mandates.
I can't yet quite make out as to why the Dems are intent on crushing our society.
Inflation, food/gas/manufacturing/transportation shortages, nurses getting fired, soon to be joined by cops/fireman. Illegals pouring in. Wanting to give 450K to each illegal effected by Trump while citizens have seen their businesses and lives crushed. Crime and shootings skyrocketing. Housing prices continuing to become unaffordable. All this is happening and people think COVID ranks anywhere on the list of concerns for the average American?
And rich white liberals in their gated communities sit back and cheer this on while everyone beneath them continues to struggle. Evil.
I am truly surprised at the number of people here who don't realize that weeks- or months-long waits for an appointment aren't already the case here and now. And I am not talking about new-patient appointments either.... good luck getting an appointment in that situation with any doctor's office in less than a 2-3 months unless you have cancer.
It was like that even a decade ago when I was a SELF PAY patient which is the simplest for any medical office to deal with. No referrals needed, no waiting for approvals from pencil pushing claims personnel, and they get paid in full right on the spot. You would think that a new patient like that would be pushed to the head of the line. Nope. I can't tell you how many specialists would say "He has nothing available until..." and name a date 2+ months in the future.
My PCP is within the Northwell system. Had an annual physical appointment set up by phone in mid May, for early August ("first available date"). I had to cancel at the last minute due to a sudden dental emergency that could NOT wait. Next available appointment for a garden-variety physical? The week before Christmas. And I'm on Medicare (the equivalent of socialized medicine, some would say) so no insurance issues there.
Last time I needed to see my ENT, as an established patient for what could have been a ear infection, the first available was almost 3 weeks out and it wasn't even with him, it with an associate whom I'd never seen before. Had I gone to my PCP instead, it would have been a 4 week wait.
I cannot remember the last time I was able to get any doctor appointment for any reason booked within 10 days. Yes, even before COVID prompted staggered appointment bookings (which I totally understand and agree with). So it's not like it's all sunshine and roses with health care availability "on demand" these days.
I really do not know whether it's a larger patient caseload, COVID staggering, or a combination of both. But I do know that any good specialists who also do surgery have always been a PITA to book an appointment within a decent timeframe.
I am truly surprised at the number of people here who don't realize that weeks- or months-long waits for an appointment aren't already the case here and now. And I am not talking about new-patient appointments either.... good luck getting an appointment in that situation with any doctor's office in less than a 2-3 months unless you have cancer.
It was like that even a decade ago when I was a SELF PAY patient which is the simplest for any medical office to deal with. No referrals needed, no waiting for approvals from pencil pushing claims personnel, and they get paid in full right on the spot. You would think that a new patient like that would be pushed to the head of the line. Nope. I can't tell you how many specialists would say "He has nothing available until..." and name a date 2+ months in the future.
My PCP is within the Northwell system. Had an annual physical appointment set up by phone in mid May, for early August ("first available date"). I had to cancel at the last minute due to a sudden dental emergency that could NOT wait. Next available appointment for a garden-variety physical? The week before Christmas. And I'm on Medicare (the equivalent of socialized medicine, some would say) so no insurance issues there.
Last time I needed to see my ENT, as an established patient for what could have been a ear infection, the first available was almost 3 weeks out and it wasn't even with him, it with an associate whom I'd never seen before. Had I gone to my PCP instead, it would have been a 4 week wait.
I cannot remember the last time I was able to get any doctor appointment for any reason booked within 10 days. Yes, even before COVID prompted staggered appointment bookings (which I totally understand and agree with). So it's not like it's all sunshine and roses with health care availability "on demand" these days.
I really do not know whether it's a larger patient caseload, COVID staggering, or a combination of both. But I do know that any good specialists who also do surgery have always been a PITA to book an appointment within a decent timeframe.
I've had the same experience, even with emergency situations that could not wait. And I even go to a "boutique" specialist who does not accept any in-network plans. She's super expensive and I still have to wait. Boutique doctors are a couple of steps down from concierge medicine. The true concierge doctors were like what was depicted in the tv show, "royal pains." My super rich friend had a network of them and it included their private cell phone numbers. He could reach them 24/7 and always got a special room at a NYC hospital. That special treatment probably bought him an extra 10 years of life.
The UK has a 2 tier system, but they don't publicize it outside of their country. The NHS for the working stiffs where it's a 3 month wait for an MRI and another system of private doctors, where you pay extra to see the doctor without a long wait. The same for dentistry. It's always been like that but they don't talk about it.
France was better but they are becoming more like the UK. My Swedish SIL's parents couldn't get a necessary surgical procedure in a timely fashion. They ended up flying to Germany and paying for it.
Isn't this what this is really all about? Your feeling of superiority based on what amounts to politics.
I"m vaccinated as is every adult I know. My kids are not and will not be. I know dozens of kids who've had this virus and not a single one ended up in the hospital, yet I know a handful of vaccinated teenagers who had myocarditis. If a person is stupid enough to think it makes sense to vaccinate your kids based on this kind of risk, I'm not sure I want my kids in a room with their spawn either. The stupid might rub off.
"Handful of kids with myocarditis"... has that been proven or is it just FUD in your circle? At one point I was wary but it turned out to be nothing with my kids. Did they get the MRI to prove myocarditis? What are the actual numbers globally?
I feel like these precious kids 12+ are being coddled by the "I-can-take-it-but-stay-away-from-my-kid" adults when 12yo+ are medicinally treated as adults all the damn time.
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