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Old 10-31-2021, 05:23 PM
 
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Vaxxing the 5-11 year olds will bring their Covid death rate from nearly zero all the way down to nearly zero.

I guess some parents will see an upside to this sort of reduction that outweighs any near and long term risks of the vax.

Other parents, not so much.

Meanwhile, the press is apparently startled that the vaccinated Press Secretary got Covid. It is almost routine when vaccinated folks get and spread covid. Doesn’t the press know that?
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Old 10-31-2021, 05:25 PM
 
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Vaxxing the 5-11 year olds will bring their Covid death rate from nearly zero all the way down to nearly zero.

I guess some parents will see an upside to this sort of reduction that outweighs any near and long term risks of the vax.

Other parents, not so much.

Meanwhile, the press is apparently startled that the vaccinated Press Secretary got Covid. It is almost routine when vaccinated folks get and spread covid. Doesn’t the press know that?
Just as every decision to vax is individual, so too is the result of the vax. Parents do not care about the overall death rate. They care only that their kid will have a better chance against covid, by default. You start arguing with overall death rates like the media does and you've lost your own point.
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Old 10-31-2021, 05:59 PM
 
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CNN: The survey found that among parents of children ages 5 to 11, only 27% said they will vaccinate their children against the virus as soon as a vaccine becomes available. https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/28/healt...ake/index.html

Given the limited (if any) upside for healthy little kids and possible near and long term effects of the vax, that number is not a shocker.
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Old 11-01-2021, 07:57 AM
 
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"Handful of kids with myocarditis"... has that been proven or is it just FUD in your circle? At one point I was wary but it turned out to be nothing with my kids. Did they get the MRI to prove myocarditis? What are the actual numbers globally?
The vaccine "serious" adverse event rate for 12-17 is about 1 in 9000.
https://www.contagionlive.com/view/p...in-adolescents
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Old 11-01-2021, 08:05 AM
 
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This is ridiculous. It really is.
Jenn Psucky for example, is vaxxed, and in a household of vaxxed, yet someone still got the covid and gave it to her. Other than the lowered risk of death, this thing is a bust.
But as long as the gubmint keeps pounding it into your heads that you MUST take it, people will still go along with this crap. The serious side effects rates are rising. They are on par with the death rate. 1 in thousands. So these mandates and hysteria are just unnecessary. It’s becoming a wash. Possibly die from covid or possibly die from the vax. Flip a coin.
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Old 11-01-2021, 09:16 AM
 
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The vaccine "serious" adverse event rate for 12-17 is about 1 in 9000.
https://www.contagionlive.com/view/p...in-adolescents
The health outcome risk-benefit for adolescent males is uncertain.
This study showed the “ For boys 12-15 without medical comorbidities receiving their second mRNA vaccination dose, the rate of CAE [cardiac adverse event] is 3.7 to 6.1 times higher than their 120-day COVID-19 hospitalization risk as of August 21, 2021”

What this study says is that for adolescent boys the potential risk from the vaccine is higher than the potential risk of catching COVID. Now this is only 1 study. But so far kids have good outcomes after testing positive for COVID, much better than older people. What is the rush? Why not gather more data before mandating it. Make it available to those who want it.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....30.21262866v1
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Old 11-01-2021, 10:06 AM
 
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Full physical and bloods before getting shot.
People should know if they are at higher risk of serious side effects before getting it.
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Old 11-01-2021, 11:26 AM
 
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The health outcome risk-benefit for adolescent males is uncertain.
This study showed the “ For boys 12-15 without medical comorbidities receiving their second mRNA vaccination dose, the rate of CAE [cardiac adverse event] is 3.7 to 6.1 times higher than their 120-day COVID-19 hospitalization risk as of August 21, 2021”

What this study says is that for adolescent boys the potential risk from the vaccine is higher than the potential risk of catching COVID. Now this is only 1 study. But so far kids have good outcomes after testing positive for COVID, much better than older people. What is the rush? Why not gather more data before mandating it. Make it available to those who want it.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....30.21262866v1
The 2 bolded statements aren't the same thing. Hospitalization risk is different than catching covid. So your statement about risk from vaccine being higher than simply catching covid is incorrect.
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Old 11-01-2021, 11:33 AM
 
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The serious side effects rates are rising. They are on par with the death rate. 1 in thousands. So these mandates and hysteria are just unnecessary. It’s becoming a wash. Possibly die from covid or possibly die from the vax. Flip a coin.
Wait, what? Are you seriously comparing the 2? I'll get you started on the fact check...

Post-Vax deaths: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...se-events.html 9143 deaths out of 414M+ doses administered.

Now do Covid deaths.
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Old 11-01-2021, 11:39 AM
 
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The health outcome risk-benefit for adolescent males is uncertain.
This study showed the “ For boys 12-15 without medical comorbidities receiving their second mRNA vaccination dose, the rate of CAE [cardiac adverse event] is 3.7 to 6.1 times higher than their 120-day COVID-19 hospitalization risk as of August 21, 2021”

What this study says is that for adolescent boys the potential risk from the vaccine is higher than the potential risk of catching COVID. Now this is only 1 study. But so far kids have good outcomes after testing positive for COVID, much better than older people. What is the rush? Why not gather more data before mandating it. Make it available to those who want it.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....30.21262866v1
I agree with you. The 1 in 9000 is really quite large when the plan is to roll it out to millions of children. Given that Pfizer only enrolled 2300 in their clinical study, of that only 1200 received the vax. To support that the 5-11 range would have, at the worst, adverse outcomes of 1 in 9000 they would need to vax at least 18000 children.
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