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As for the open space on long island dwindling, you really need to get out of your house a little more and stop listening to other people scare you or whatever it is that has you believing this need...
Now we have groundwater and traffic issues....surrounded by a salt ocean is one, taking care of your lawn is another, the majority of L.I. having cesspool is another.
During the us open at bridgehampton a few years back, 70,000 made the commute there, 50,000 used exit 71...
There was no traffic concerns or issues at ex 71....
9000 people worked at grumman, now known as epcal, there were no traffic issues...
Take a helo ride over long island, you'll find plenty of open space and plenty of untouched space...
Motorsports facilities for the most part are open spaces, and seasonal use...
In case you haven't noticed east end of the island has changed a bit from when Grumman closed, farms turning into housing developments, shopping malls.
We need to attract companies and create sustainable jobs with some fresh ideas, not race tracks and indian casinos. There are parks in other states with hundreds of square miles that increase the quality of life while we look to build retail space and residential housing on every last piece of property.
Yawn.....If it's so in demand build it yourself. My prediction? Never happen.
What are you talking about?
We aren't asking for money.... just a town board not going against the people AGAIN.
9800 people wanted the motorsports proposal in 2006, vs 298 for the fools proposal..
We're ready... not asking for money, if the town board would have just voted for what WE the people want, the town wouldn't be 10 mil + in the red and 15 people wouldn't be losing there job as of jan 1st....
You aren't keeping up with current events, look at some news sites or libn...
No one wanted that dopey broke rr deal that had no money and somehow passed a q&e in 2007.... talk about corrupt govt...
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Originally Posted by Goodnight
In case you haven't noticed east end of the island has changed a bit from when Grumman closed, farms turning into housing developments, shopping malls.
We need to attract companies and create sustainable jobs with some fresh ideas, not race tracks and indian casinos. There are parks in other states with hundreds of square miles that increase the quality of life while we look to build retail space and residential housing on every last piece of property.
We aren't proposing any casino, just a motorsports facility, with a museum for the history of motorsports on long island since 1900, drivers ed school for hs kids...
Business-
Do some reasearch, you aren't attracting any good jobs with anything else.
Companies don't come to a ind park just because you got one on the dead end of a island for no reason, you need a draw, and since you don't do any research you have no idea what motorsports facilities draw..
They draw very good jobs, engineers from mechanical to electrical and even fluid, then you have the fabricators, designers and eventually manufacturing which is what made this country, and what made this island.....what attracted business here, it was the past 45 motorsports facilities that drew business here.
Most of you people dream, you dream that all long island is going to get or attract is 200k jobs... That's insane. In reality the island loses companines...
If you have nothing to draw companies...how would you draw any business? with a motorsports facility where companies use motorsports for advertising and following their team around that is a draw that attracts business..
As for open space, instead of just continually saying in yet another post that the east end changed, I know it has, but i actually looked and you haven't, so If you go and take a helo ride over long island you'll find that in fact you do have plenty of open and unused space.
The other fact is we are talking about a already used facility being reused....
But i love the theory, attract more business and no more development... lol
You must never go anywhere but work, home and online
LIBN indicates 85% want motor sports at that facility ot of 2000 voters? Now why do I question that number.
If you want motor sports it should go in Queens not in one of the last few areas of open space. Take a helicopter ride over Connecticut or Vermont, even New Jersey and tell me we have plenty of open space. I don't see any of those places putting in a race track on 6,000 acres for a few jobs.
The Grumman facility has been vacant for years, lets not pretend that this is not a change in land use based on the current environment rather than 20 years ago. The resort will destroy one of the last areas of open space.
By the way what happened to the facility they were going to put in Arthur Kills in Queens.
LIBN indicates 85% want motor sports at that facility ot of 2000 voters? Now why do I question that number.
If you want motor sports it should go in Queens not in one of the last few areas of open space. Take a helicopter ride over Connecticut or Vermont, even New Jersey and tell me we have plenty of open space. I don't see any of those places putting in a race track on 6,000 acres for a few jobs.
The Grumman facility has been vacant for years, lets not pretend that this is not a change in land use based on the current environment rather than 20 years ago. The resort will destroy one of the last areas of open space.
By the way what happened to the facility they were going to put in Arthur Kills in Queens.
Somebody hasn't done their homework (NJ track built in 2008):
NJMP Track Information (http://www.njmp.com/tracks.html - broken link)
If anyone can honestly say the Calverton site in its current state has more curb appeal than the the following three tracks, then I'm not sure what to think:
Lime Rock:
VIR:
Barber:
Grumman Site:
And I'm not understanding how folks refer to a road course as an open space killer. Look at VIR, Limerock, or even Barber Motorsports Park to see how preserved a natural setting is after a road course is built. All three of these tracks are beautiful, and Barber is perhaps even nicer looking after the owner invested millions in the landscaping of the facility.
My caveat is that I'm not in favor of a NASCAR speedway, like the proposed one on Staten Island, I'm a proponent of an road racing facility, similar to Monticello Motor Club which was recently built.
LIBN indicates 85% want motor sports at that facility ot of 2000 voters? Now why do I question that number.
If you want motor sports it should go in Queens not in one of the last few areas of open space. Take a helicopter ride over Connecticut or Vermont, even New Jersey and tell me we have plenty of open space. I don't see any of those places putting in a race track on 6,000 acres for a few jobs.
The Grumman facility has been vacant for years, lets not pretend that this is not a change in land use based on the current environment rather than 20 years ago. The resort will destroy one of the last areas of open space.
By the way what happened to the facility they were going to put in Arthur Kills in Queens.
If we want motorsports we should go to queens ?
Actually since motorsports birthplace in the U.S. was long Island, it should be here... It is what attracted people to come here.
Question of what number, that 2000 is about 12% of us.... there are over 20,000 different sanctioning licensed motorsports drivers on long island, and more then 130,000 insured race cars...
The poll was closed early....
The other blunder from local govt was at S.I. not at
arthur kill which isn't in queens, just as in riverhead in 07..., 06,04,03,02,01,99 & 98
Last few areas, are you serious? last few areas, i love discussions with people that can't see the truth, and refuse to even look....
take the helo ride....
Have you ever been to a motorsports facility.
All week it is open space, and for 4 months a year it is also open space...
But it brings real jobs and real money.
I love how people are so one way.... If you want open space maybe consider moving to alaska
I don't mind the idea of a race track but... I don't believe that it is the end to all our financial difficulties either. It is a drop in the ocean. We need to start at the top to fix the economy as I stated in an earlier post. I love long Island, I am fortunate to be able to afford to live here...what makes me sad is that I will never be able to afford to retire here.
Well it's a step in the right direction..... We have no generator of anything on this island.. We don't have a draw.
I'll have to move on if we don't get atleast this 1 motorsports facility, and motorsports is, was why i moved here....
I moved to suffolk county from queens years and years ago to be closer to Bridgehampton, WestHampton, National, Riverhead, then a business and now nothing but misery... Now i have no motorsports, no where to test, and this was why i came here specifically for the motorsports we once had, and so did a lot of others many years ago, and some like myself and others remain here with there business even though it slowly kills it, and many many others have left the island and went south...
South where they can test and retire, and live after retiring...
As for living.... This is surviving being here, not living...
It would be nice to have a quarter mile track again. May stop the "stupids" from street racing. I used to have a 11 second 76 camaro...I loved that car. Loved taking it to the track. We do have other draw's on long island. Parks, beaches, museums, the aquarium, Nassau coliseum and others that I cant remember. Motor sports is not the save all end all, but it may be a nice addition. It is a tradition here to have such a track. I can understand why the Track's failed in the past. people are not forgiving of the kind of noise and traffic not to mention parking problems involved in a place like the Hamptons.
fact is, our economy is hurt, it is broken beyond repair. The people who run this country, state, county...don't care about anything but money....they would step over your dead body to pick up a twenty dollar bill.
When you are born they put a dollar amount on you, What your worth.
when you get sick they assess you to see if your "worth" repairing.
your insurance company will pay if it's not too much
we are completely worthless to everyone but ourselves.
This country is broken.
and nobody will do a thing to fix it
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