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We probably went to war with Iraq probably because they stopped selling Oil in Dollars and switched to the Euro..
So we couldn't actually just keep printing endless money to buy oil..
Iran is thinking about switching? or already switched ? See how we're slowly talking about how Iran needs to be invaded..
1 ) Take from the well to do, and give to the poor.. vs.. let the rich get richer..
2 ) Appease other coutries.. vs goto war with other countries..
Biden is against net Neutrality.
Make Mccain pick R. Paul as his running mate
War Monger + Economist vs Talker + dont know enough about Biden.
Now, to get back on the LI topic....it is fair to say that if Obama had his free reign, most of you are going to get taxed out the wazoo. I'm probably sufficiently poor enough to slide under the radar, but the vast majority of Long Islanders are unbelievably "wealthy" compared to the rest of the country. Are we really "wealthy" though? No, not really. Our cost of living is extraordinarily higher than everywhere else in the country so we live the same, the numbers are just higher on our side...and that will hurt us. That is all very fair to say.
That doesn't mean that a vote for Obama is a vote for the more expensive candidate, however. Who would have thought that Bush would have spent the utterly insane amount of money he did during his presidency? I wouldn't have....I would have voted for him in 2000 if I was old enough, I hate Al Gore! Who would have thought that the Bush administration actually would have given big business incentive to move it's jobs overseas? That one will hurt more in the long run than any tax hike. It's a total crapshoot to me, the silly old Right-vs-Left adages regarding spending should be thrown out the window, it's impossible to "predict" where we're gonna be four years from now economically.
I don't claim to be an expert on politics on that level, and I think anybody that claims to be is full of it or wasting their time. I used to be a little more knowledgeable about it, but after Bush got re-elected I realized it's nothing but a big scary smoke and mirrors show (can you tell I'm not a big GW fan?) So here's my advice: vote for whoever you think you would like to hang out with more. I'm serious. It's all gonna be the same junk in the end. Does anybody remember how great the 90s were? When I got my drivers license, gas was $1 a gallon - that was less than ten years ago! Clinton was probably an awful president but we were inexplicably rocking back then. How could you hate him with his little saxaphone and McDonalds Arch Deluxes? I guess he ruffled a few feathers catching a BJ in the White House but nobody is perfect, I'm not!
The only politics that I can care about anymore are those at the local and state level. This is real stuff, it's in your face and you can see it in action. Even our seemingly foolish discussions about police salaries and school taxes on here, it's all a part of it. Those are the elections that are really worth voting in, as far as I'm concerned...and it can be tough to make up your mind about them because there aren't one minute special interest group TV spots running rampant about alleged terrorist ties and not saying the pledge to make up your mind for you....but I'm telling ya, it's something you can actually make a difference in! Spending the extra time doing some research might actually save you some money and/or improve your quality of life in the end!
Last edited by Keeper; 08-27-2008 at 06:05 PM..
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I did emphasize that Obama is not perfect. I didn't like his support of the FISA Bill and Dick Cheney's energy bill for instance.
Both parties are indeed imperfect, but the notion that they are one of the same is merely rhetoric--at least recent history contradicts that statement. We've only had 2 Democratic presidents since 1964: Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter. As spotty as Clinton's administration was, it was one of the best administration in the last 50 years, comparatively speaking. Carter had a rough administration highlighted by the Iran hostage crises and gas inflation; that being stated, his administration was a hell of a lot more competent and honorable than W's. Whether it's criminalizing the Justice department, outing CIA agents, lobbyist scandals(Abramoff), lying us into war, etc, etc.
Reagan took office on the promise of cutting fed spending/reducing programs. When he left office, his administration had borrowed more money than all other administrations in the history of this country combined. He never abolished even one major gov't program in 8 years, instead he ended up strengthening programs (social security), and left the country with a much larger deficit than it had before he took office. By the end of his term, 138 Reagan administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations. In terms of number of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever(where's the democratic equivalent?). Revisionist history now has it that he walks on water.
Back to Obama. I do share your displeasure with his stance on post birth abortions, but I don't think you really want to go there. McCain is the more egregious of the two.....by a mile.
McCain supports overturning Roe vs Wade, so if a woman gets impregnated by a rapist, too bad.
McCain struck down a bill ensuring equal pay for equal work performed by women.
McCain opposes comprehensive sex education. I think that might have an impact on teenage pregnancy rates.
He has the worst record in the Senate pertaining to the support of veterans, but he's inocculated from criticism by his time spent as a POW.
He opposed bills aimed at imposing sanctions against South Africa for apartheid; heck, he even voted against MLK holiday.
He voted against providing unemployment insurance and medicaid to Katrina victims. So you home and your job got washed away? Good luck.
He was an integral part of the Keating Five corruption scandal that cost the U.S tax payer billions.
I apologize for the long winded response, but this is the type of stuff I wish voters would analyze as opposed to clinging to generalities and all that is trivial.
No one implied that universal health care wouldn't come at a cost. Every industrialized nation in the world has universal health care except us, so i don't understand the reason for our trepidation. It's mainly a matter of redirecting spending: We're spending $10 billion a month in Iraq, a practice McCain wants to continue even though he's running a campaign centered on the message of reducing spending. The Iraq war will ultimately cost the U.S taxpayer $2.5 to $3 trillion dollars when the cost of lifetime care for our injured soldiers are factored in.
Do you think that we could have achieved universal health care with the money spent on this useless war? I do.
How about the recycling of the dumb Star Wars idea? We're spending billions of dollars to install missile defense in Eastern Europe with the hope of curtailing an acute threat which hasn't even manifested. The threats we face are too broad to invest so many resources on one extremely narrow hypothetical. Missile defense systems are ineffective against cruise missiles--and what happens when the enemy overwhelms the system with dummy warheads?? We return to the same questions that have yet to be answered.
That's just scratching the surface pertaining to how our gov't wastes money.
As for college tuition: No one imlplied that the gov't would fit the bill for your kid's tuition at NYU. These are the kinds of distortions/exaggerations that prevent us from truly understanding issues that affect us. Obama's $4K per year college tuition credit for time served at municipalities and good will organizations is a good start. $4k goes a long way at a state school (and it's supplemental to other forms of financial aid).
What exactly is McCain offering?? The man didn't even include an education policy on his website during the primaries.
I did emphasize that Obama is not perfect. I didn't like his support of the FISA Bill and Dick Cheney's energy bill for instance.
Both parties are indeed imperfect, but the notion that they are one of the same is merely rhetoric--at least recent history contradicts that statement. We've only had 2 Democratic presidents since 1964: Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter. As spotty as Clinton's administration was, it was one of the best administration in the last 50 years, comparatively speaking. Carter had a rough administration highlighted by the Iran hostage crises and gas inflation; that being stated, his administration was a hell of a lot more competent and honorable than W's. Whether it's criminalizing the Justice department, outing CIA agents, lobbyist scandals(Abramoff), lying us into war, etc, etc.
Reagan took office on the promise of cutting fed spending/reducing programs. When he left office, his administration had borrowed more money than all other administrations in the history of this country combined. He never abolished even one major gov't program in 8 years, instead he ended up strengthening programs (social security), and left the country with a much larger deficit than it had before he took office. By the end of his term, 138 Reagan administration officials had been convicted, had been indicted, or had been the subject of official investigations for official misconduct and/or criminal violations. In terms of number of officials involved, the record of his administration was the worst ever(where's the democratic equivalent?). Revisionist history now has it that he walks on water.
Back to Obama. I do share your displeasure with his stance on post birth abortions, but I don't think you really want to go there. McCain is the more egregious of the two.....by a mile.
McCain supports overturning Roe vs Wade, so if a woman gets impregnated by a rapist, too bad.
McCain struck down a bill ensuring equal pay for equal work performed by women.
McCain opposes comprehensive sex education. I think that might have an impact on teenage pregnancy rates.
He has the worst record in the Senate pertaining to the support of veterans, but he's inocculated from criticism by his time spent as a POW.
He opposed bills aimed at imposing sanctions against South Africa for apartheid; heck, he even voted against MLK holiday.
He voted against providing unemployment insurance and medicaid to Katrina victims. So you home and your job got washed away? Good luck.
He was an integral part of the Keating Five corruption scandal that cost the U.S tax payer billions.
I apologize for the long winded response, but this is the type of stuff I wish voters would analyze as opposed to clinging to generalities and all that is trivial.
No one implied that universal health care wouldn't come at a cost. Every industrialized nation in the world has universal health care except us, so i don't understand the reason for our trepidation. It's mainly a matter of redirecting spending: We're spending $10 billion a month in Iraq, a practice McCain wants to continue even though he's running a campaign centered on the message of reducing spending. The Iraq war will ultimately cost the U.S taxpayer $2.5 to $3 trillion dollars when the cost of lifetime care for our injured soldiers are factored in.
Do you think that we could have achieved universal health care with the money spent on this useless war? I do.
How about the recycling of the dumb Star Wars idea? We're spending billions of dollars to install missile defense in Eastern Europe with the hope of curtailing an acute threat which hasn't even manifested. The threats we face are too broad to invest so many resources on one extremely narrow hypothetical. Missile defense systems are ineffective against cruise missiles--and what happens when the enemy overwhelms the system with dummy warheads?? We return to the same questions that have yet to be answered.
That's just scratching the surface pertaining to how our gov't wastes money.
As for college tuition: No one imlplied that the gov't would fit the bill for your kid's tuition at NYU. These are the kinds of distortions/exaggerations that prevent us from truly understanding issues that affect us. Obama's $4K per year college tuition credit for time served at municipalities and good will organizations is a good start. $4k goes a long way at a state school (and it's supplemental to other forms of financial aid).
What exactly is McCain offering?? The man didn't even include an education policy on his website during the primaries.
But Obama's middle name is Hussein and he went to a Madrasa!!!
Good post. Unfortunately, uneducated fools in the this country will fall for ads like the one someone else linked to, and we will slide further into the rut we are in.
Here is the notice I got on my electric bill that went up $101 dollars for no apparent reason (I have never turned on my AC or my CAC --not even ONCE! this entire summer --so why did my electric bill go from $209.00 to $311.00?)
"The cost of oil and natural gas is soaring and fuel and purchased power costs make up nearly 60% of your LIPA bill. effective July 1, 2008 the total chargers on your LIPA bill will increase by 3% as the Power Supply Charge rate needs to be increased from $0.097689 to $0.103420 with kWh to cover the increased cost of fuel and purchased power. For more information please visit LIPA's web site at www.lipower.org or contact LIPA's Customer Assistance Center at 1-800-490-0025"
now.....I can just imagine what my bill would be had I actually turned on my AC. Does anyone here see why I didn't? $311.00 for electric for one month with no ac is enough for me. Especially since I paid $1,000 for gas last month as I am a Real Estate agent and my job requires driving. Now I hear we are having an extremely cold winter.
And how many of my tax dollars does Obama want to send to Africa to feed the poor http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-2433 ? and how many of my tax dollars does Biden want to send to Georgia to rebuild what Russia knocked down Moderator cut: blog ? And how much is it going to cost us until SOMEONE comes up with an alternative fuel to drive our cars and heat our homes? Probably as fast as New Orleans is being rebuilt.
So who should I vote for? The man who will bring back the draft and take my kids away to fight in a senseless world war III http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_109121.html ? Or the man who wants to take my tax dollars to take care of everyone on the planet but me?
Moderator cut: please no vulgarities
I'm going to throw my vote away by writing Ron Paul's name down on a piece of paper and handing it in. In all good conscience, that is the only thing I can do to stay true to myself.
If Obama or McCain wins......it makes no difference to me. Socialism vs Facism is how I see it.
So I'll "throw my vote away" as some might say.....
but voting for one of the other two.....I don't see how I win either way
Last edited by Keeper; 08-27-2008 at 06:15 PM..
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Here is the notice I got on my electric bill that went up $101 dollars for no apparent reason (I have never turned on my AC or my CAC --not even ONCE! this entire summer --so why did my electric bill go from $209.00 to $311.00?)
"The cost of oil and natural gas is soaring and fuel and purchased power costs make up nearly 60% of your LIPA bill. effective July 1, 2008 the total chargers on your LIPA bill will increase by 3% as the Power Supply Charge rate needs to be increased from $0.097689 to $0.103420 with kWh to cover the increased cost of fuel and purchased power. For more information please visit LIPA's web site at www.lipower.org or contact LIPA's Customer Assistance Center at 1-800-490-0025"
now.....I can just imagine what my bill would be had I actually turned on my AC. Does anyone here see why I didn't? $311.00 for electric for one month with no ac is enough for me. Especially since I paid $1,000 for gas last month as I am a Real Estate agent and my job requires driving. Now I hear we are having an extremely cold winter.
So who should I vote for? The man who will bring back the draft and take my kids away to fight in a senseless world war III McCain: World War III Would Justify Draft ? Or the man who wants to take my tax dollars to take care of everyone on the planet but me?
I'm going to throw my vote away by writing Ron Paul's name down on a piece of paper and handing it in. In all good conscience, that is the only thing I can do to stay true to myself.
If Obama or McCain wins......it makes no difference to me. Socialism vs Facism is how I see it.
So I'll "throw my vote away" as some might say.....
but voting for one of the other two.....I don't see how I win either way
And you don't think that McCain supports foreign aid? Look at the banner ads on the website your linking to: "liberals this, liberals that, we hate liberals". Just be aware when you are getting your information from someone with an agenda that it isn't always reported accurately.
Last edited by nancy thereader; 08-27-2008 at 09:17 AM..
It doesn't matter, you're basing your opinion on slanted or completely distorted facts
Global Poverty Act (http://www.borgenproject.org/globalpovertyact.html - broken link)
You're buying the propaganda that Obama wants to ship off .7% of our GDP to foreign countries, and then saying "well, he stinks."
The first step should be to make sure that what you know about the candidates doesn't come from the people who want to destroy them at all costs, including the truth. So, when it comes to Barrack Obama, if you get your information from Rush Limbaugh and right wing blogs...he's the devil. Shocker!!
Last edited by Keeper; 08-27-2008 at 06:07 PM..
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And you don't think that McCain supports foreign aid? Look at the banner ads on the website your linking to: "liberals this, liberals that, we hate liberals". Just be aware when you are getting your information from someone with an agenda that it isn't always reported accurately.
Again, you posted a link from a right wing blog saying that Barrack Obama agrees with a bill that FORCES .7% of US GDP to go to foreign aid.
It turns out that was a recommendation from a UN panel 30 years ago.
This is the kind of stuff that won Bush the election in 2004...outright lies about Kerry, created by groups funded by right wingers, than repeated as fact by people like Limbaugh and Hannity.
The exact same type of thing that got people supporting the Iraq invasion: the Bush administration makes up stories about Iraq trying to buy Uranium, "leaks" them to the media, the media then reports them, and the the Bush administration turns around and says "look, see, even the media agrees that Iraq are terrorists who want to blow up Cleveland!!"
I beg you to not allow yourself to be fooled by more lies from the right wing media apparatus.
It doesn't matter, you're basing your opinion on slanted or completely distorted facts
Global Poverty Act (http://www.borgenproject.org/globalpovertyact.html - broken link)
You're buying the propaganda that Obama wants to ship off .7% of our GDP to foreign countries, and then saying "well, he stinks."
The first step should be to make sure that what you know about the candidates doesn't come from the people who want to destroy them at all costs, including the truth. So, when it comes to Barrack Obama, if you get your information from Rush Limbaugh and right wing blogs...he's the devil. Shocker!!
It's funny how so many people are misinformed (?).
Read into it what you may. It's still Globalist thinking tied to the UN and the CFR.
This is unrelated to this bill....but Ron Paul seems to be the only man who continues to make sense and follow the constitution:
Congressman Ron Paul - Can Foreign Aid Save Africa? - Texas Straight Talk (http://www.house.gov/htbin/blog_inc?BLOG,tx14_paul,blog,999,All,Item%20not%20 found,ID=080327_1781,TEMPLATE=postingdetail.shtml - broken link)
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