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OK, you'd prefer to get into semantics. The problem with the McCain article,(which I read) wasn't that there were any blatant lies contained in it, but that The Times did not reveal their anonymous sources. Ninety Nine percent of that article was pure from factual standpoint. The information pertaining to McCain's lobbyist ties and his role in the Keating 5 corruption scandal were totally accurate.(if you read it, you'd know that's what 99 percent of that multi-page article was about)
They made a serious accusation pertaining to his personal life without revealing their source. That was a journalistic no-no; one that The Times should be assailed for. It's far from the concerted effort Fox News has made on a daily basis for years to exploit race, and to smear and distort facts surrounding those who they are not aligned with ideologically.
I could go on you tube and provide links to one hundred blatant Sean Hannity/O'reilly/other Fox News talking heads lies right now, or I could watch thier shows tonight, but I doubt that would change anybody's mind.
OK, you'd prefer to get into semantics. The problem with the McCain article,(which I read) wasn't that there were any blatant lies contained in it, but that The Times did not reveal their anonymous sources. Ninety Nine percent of that article was pure from factual standpoint. The information pertaining to McCain's lobbyist ties and his role in the Keating 5 corruption scandal were totally accurate.(if you read it, you'd know that's what 99 percent of that multi-page article was about)
They made a serious accusation pertaining to his personal life without revealing their source. That was a journalistic no-no; one that The Times should be assailed for. It's far from the concerted effort Fox News has made for years to exploit race, to smear and distort facts surrounding those who they are not aligned with ideologically.
I could go on you tube and provide links to one hundred blatant Sean Hannity/O'reilly/other Fox News talking heads lies right now, or I could watch thier shows tonight, but I doubt that would change anybody's mind.
All I'm saying is they ALL have agendas. Times goes left; Post goes right. MSNBC and Olbermann have their agenda, and Fox/O'Reilly have their thing going; on radio Air America swings one way, Rush the other way. Its all a game. Everyone has their own schtick. I listen/read 'em all and they all distort things to suit their purpose, particularly the editorials/commentaries.
If you want a more neutral view, check out the BBC America
All I'm saying is they ALL have agendas. Times goes left; Post goes right. MSNBC and Olbermann have their agenda, and Fox/O'Reilly have their thing going; on radio Air America swings one way, Rush the other way. Its all a game. Everyone has their own schtick. I listen/read 'em all and they all distort things to suit their purpose, particularly the editorials/commentaries.
If you want a more neutral view, check out the BBC America
But that's fine.
I would define that has having an ideological slant....totally appropriate. The line is crossed when facts are deliberately distorted to promote your agenda.
Take the Wall Street Journal, they have been right leaning for many years, yet they are respected in many liberal and independent circles. They don't resort to the lowest denominators(race/smears,etc) to promote their agenda.
So when Olbermann smears McCain by deliberately lying that Mccain supported Bush 95% of the time of his Presidency when the truth is the 95% value is true only during 1 calendar year its just as heinous as if Fox or any other newsorganization did it.
Personally, I think they all lie and distort. Fox may have started it and might be the most egregous of them, but they all do it now. Especially in politics when the "news shows" have their talking heads debating things so fast and furiously that no one can interrupt them or correct them with the facts.
So when Olbermann smears McCain by deliberately lying that Mccain supported Bush 95% of the time of his Presidency when the truth is the 95% value is true only during 1 calendar year its just as heinous as if Fox or any other newsorganization did it.
Personally, I think they all lie and distort. Fox may have started it and might be the most egregous of them, but they all do it now. Especially in politics when the "news shows" have their talking heads debating things so fast and furiously that no one can interrupt them or correct them with the facts.
You might want to take a closer look at McCain's voting record....
You're back to semantics. The 95 percent argument is a direct response to the false notion that he's a Maverick, something that Fox promotes. Whether that voting record is within one calender year or not, it's pretty damning. It's disingenuous to compare that to what goes on at Fox.
McCain caved on Bush's tax cuts after he opposed them. He caved on Bush's torture bill after claiming that he won't support torture after what happened to him in Nam. He was against Bush's wireless wiretapping, now he's for it. He was for gay marriage, now he's against it, and that's just scratching the surface of his cave-ins; I could go on. He holds up ancillary and superficial issues like his stance on Global Warming & campaign finance to perpetuate his maverick image. Those are secondary issues that wont hurt him politically, that's why he hasn't caved.
McCain has voted in line with the Bush administration 90 PERCENT of the time during Bush's 7 1/2 years in office, it's hardly a lie.
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