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Where do you think they are flying, based on your description the jets would be on a final approach not 30 miles out from JFK or LGA?
With Nextgen the jets fly at much lower altitudes from further away. For example on Sunday the jets were passing over Huntington at about 2000 feet altitude. You can check out the flight paths and altitudes on this link ( https://webtrak.emsbk.com/panynj4 ) Click on the history tab and set the date to Sunday at 12:00 noon and you will see the jets at 2000 feet 30 miles away from the airport.
With Nextgen the jets fly at much lower altitudes from further away. For example on Sunday the jets were passing over Huntington at about 2000 feet altitude. You can check out the flight paths and altitudes on this link ( https://webtrak.emsbk.com/panynj4 ) Click on the history tab and set the date to Sunday at 12:00 noon and you will see the jets at 2000 feet 30 miles away from the airport.
I saw a bunch joining the final for 22's at 2000'-3000' over Huntington.. That's pretty normal due to a 10-15 mile final. That is no where near 30 miles away.
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With Nextgen the jets fly at much lower altitudes from further away. For example on Sunday the jets were passing over Huntington at about 2000 feet altitude. You can check out the flight paths and altitudes on this link ( https://webtrak.emsbk.com/panynj4 ) Click on the history tab and set the date to Sunday at 12:00 noon and you will see the jets at 2000 feet 30 miles away from the airport.
I did look and they are 3000ft and up in altitude except for 1 small prop plane (Cessna)
I saw a bunch joining the final for 22's at 2000'-3000' over Huntington.. That's pretty normal due to a 10-15 mile final. That is no where near 30 miles away.
Where are you looking specifically?
Wait so you think Huntington is only 10-15 miles from JFK? The center of Huntington is 24.21 ( https://www.distance-cities.com/dist...gton-ny-to-jfk ) miles from JFK traveling in a straight line but many of the planes were passing Huntington traveling West and North West some flying up by Lloyd Neck before making their turn SW towards the 22's so they had to fly at least 30 miles to get to JFK. Using the standard glide slope in aviation of 300 feet per mile, at 30 miles away the planes should be at 9,000 feet (30 * 300) even at 25 miles they should be at 7,500 feet. While planes may be higher or lower due to traffic or terrain it was a rarity before NEXTGEN that a plane would be at 2000 feet 30 miles away from JFK.
Unlike many of the people in this thread I see both positives and negatives of NEXTGEN. We should be using technology to make travel as efficient and safe as possible but I can also understand the people 30 miles away from airport now having a concentrated line of planes passing over at 2000 feet being upset. Yes you could argue if you buy anywhere near a vicinity of airport this could happen but it was not happening like this before NEXTGEN. I don't really know what the answer is.
Wait so you think Huntington is only 10-15 miles from JFK? The center of Huntington is 24.21 ( https://www.distance-cities.com/dist...gton-ny-to-jfk ) miles from JFK traveling in a straight line but many of the planes were passing Huntington traveling West and North West some flying up by Lloyd Neck before making their turn SW towards the 22's so they had to fly at least 30 miles to get to JFK. Using the standard glide slope in aviation of 300 feet per mile, at 30 miles away the planes should be at 9,000 feet (30 * 300) even at 25 miles they should be at 7,500 feet. While planes may be higher or lower due to traffic or terrain it was a rarity before NEXTGEN that a plane would be at 2000 feet 30 miles away from JFK.
Unlike many of the people in this thread I see both positives and negatives of NEXTGEN. We should be using technology to make travel as efficient and safe as possible but I can also understand the people 30 miles away from airport now having a concentrated line of planes passing over at 2000 feet being upset. Yes you could argue if you buy anywhere near a vicinity of airport this could happen but it was not happening like this before NEXTGEN. I don't really know what the answer is.
The airplanes going north were at 4000' and above...
ATC is not a video game, it's extremely complex. Especially that area of the country, with three major airports and numerous busy satellite fields such as Teterbroro, Islip and Westchester.
You can't just descend folks on a 3:1, there are so many other factors at play, probably the biggest impact you are feeling now is simply traffic growth. The more aircraft in line to land the longer the final will be.
You assume planes to be descending when they pass your house. They could be in a holding pattern with altitudes determined by the amount and location of traffic.
Where there are airports, there are planes.
The don't typically hold commercial traffic at that point on an arrival. Generally you are held 30-50 miles away at the approach gates above 10k.
My comment was in response to a descent rate calculation. It wasn't directed at you either.
Do you like being a myopic talking turd? It suits you well.
I explained it. Due to airspace complexity and numerous airports all around. I did a tower/approach tour back years ago, it was eye opening. Learned a lot.
I'm taking my time to explain it to you yet you disregard, ignore, and delete user names and ask me to repeat myself.
PS I've been posting in this thread since 2017.
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