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Old 01-08-2009, 07:09 AM
 
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EVERYONE...LESSON TWO...another CULTURE OF HATE Lesson !

This person would be willing to accept ALL OF THEIR HELP, but grudgingly AND THEY HAVE TO GIVE ME THEIR BEST !

I can actually imagine this person sueing the Police, for not scaring the Bad Guy.....enough, for him !

Dig yourself, my Friend !
"Culture of Hate"

This kind of stuff is hilarious. Cops taking on the role of the oppressed!!

Good comedy.
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Old 01-08-2009, 07:20 AM
 
Location: Miller Place NY
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Family member?

Again, the discussion that this thread moved to is about salaries.

You cannot talk about cop salaries being to high without people like you (either a cop or very close to one) calling you a cop hater.

By the way, one of my best friends is a cop..was on NYPD for years, now out of state. He's underpaid, and was drastically underpaid for what he had to deal with at NYPD..a thankless job. Yes, I hate him.

To compare what he dealt with in relation to NCPD and SCPD? No one can honestly do that. NYPD themselves will tell you that. I guess they hate cops too!!

Simple fact: cops on LI are overpaid relative to the demand and qualifications for their positions.

If someone thinks that translates into hating cops, they are demented.
Your use of the word "Officer" to me, is making that word, perjorative, by inference.

As to comparing one jurisdiction with another, that's nitpicking...to me, IT'S THE SAME JOB, DIFFERENT LOCATION !

That you have a friend that's a police officer, is encouraging for you to be exposed to his work experiences....up to the point, that your friend, thinks Long Island police are somewhat, "inferior" to the problems and working conditions, etc..

That he has these feelings is understandable, normal, and is his right to feel that way. Rivalry is something that is healthy and normal between services. Competition makes us better at what we do and what THEY do.

It's not OUR right to feel that way as civilians, nor is it appropriate, in this instance FOR US, to use, to make a point with in this discussion.

So it seems your "dislike" of LI Police comes down to what your friend feels...what do YOU feel ?
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Old 01-08-2009, 07:26 AM
 
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Your use of the word "Officer" to me, is making that word, perjorative, by inference.

As to comparing one jurisdiction with another, that's nitpicking...to me, IT'S THE SAME JOB, DIFFERENT LOCATION !

That you have a friend that's a police officer, is encouraging for you to be exposed to his work experiences....up to the point, that your friend, thinks Long Island police are somewhat, "inferior" to the problems and working conditions, etc..

That he has these feelings is understandable, normal, and is his right to feel that way. Rivalry is something that is healthy and normal between services. Competition makes us better at what we do and what THEY do.

It's not OUR right to feel that way as civilians, nor is it appropriate, in this instance FOR US, to use, to make a point with in this discussion.

So it seems your "dislike" of LI Police comes down to what your friend feels...what do YOU feel ?
Did they teach you how to use argumentation fallacies at the academy?
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Old 01-08-2009, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Miller Place NY
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"Culture of Hate"

This kind of stuff is hilarious. Cops taking on the role of the oppressed!!

Good comedy.
Why it's so funny?

...the Police would even help someone like you...and NOT because "they have to"...it's their job to help people, even those who don't like them, MOST, OF WHICH, DON'T LIKE THEM.

Come to think about it...it's NOT funny !
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Old 01-08-2009, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Miller Place NY
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Did they teach you how to use argumentation fallacies at the academy?
DUH, HUH ?
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Old 01-08-2009, 07:49 AM
 
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DUH, HUH ?
See, when someone says they find LI cop salaries to be out of line with other municipalities and CS positions considering the qualifications, and you translate that into "this person hates cops", it shows that you are either:

1) extremely dishonest, hence the use of fallacies in virtually every argument you attempt to make, or

2)that your perception is so warped that you actually believe what you are spouting. .
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Old 01-08-2009, 08:13 AM
 
Location: Miller Place NY
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See, when someone says they find LI cop salaries to be out of line with other municipalities and CS positions considering the qualifications, and you translate that into "this person hates cops", it shows that you are either:

1) extremely dishonest, hence the use of fallacies in virtually every argument you attempt to make, or

2)that your perception is so warped that you actually believe what you are spouting. .

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Old 01-08-2009, 09:13 AM
 
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Did they teach you how to use argumentation fallacies at the academy?
Seems like that person articulated a pretty clear and sound bit of reasoning?

Have you been taught to dismiss anyone who challenges you as having an immediate vested interest in the opposing position?

Respond. Don't throw grenades. Learn to argue and reason.
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Old 01-08-2009, 09:16 AM
 
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Default Reductio ad absurium

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So why don't we pay cops 500K a year since the job is so demanding?
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That is the name of a fallacy. Look it up.
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Old 01-08-2009, 09:17 AM
 
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Okay officer, common sense.
This is also a fallacy. It is a fallacy that redirects the attention of the reader to approval of the arguer as opposed to the point of contention.

Really, you shouldn't blame others for doing what you are so capable and prone to doing.
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