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I have noticed despite the north winds today, and the thunderstorms we had on Thursday, they are still flying quite LOW over central Nassau. Greenvale was getting it bad this afternoon, and we're getting pounded right now here in Westbury. One of the planes was so low you could read the airline name on the tail.
The shocking thing is that they were flying planes over central Nassau in the other video right through a severe thunderstorm. I guess they aren't going to change the routing until something goes horribly wrong.
Actually JFK winds were SSW (210 deg) after about 11:30am (sea breeze). They were probably using 04L for take offs and 22R for landings...just a guess though.
Actually JFK winds were SSW (210 deg) after about 11:30am (sea breeze). They were probably using 04L for take offs and 22R for landings...just a guess though.
Sea breezes are quite shallow though. The plane could have N winds 500 feet up and S winds on the runway.
I've actually made some progress in this. I've been talking to a Senior Engineer at Port Authority. He's been quite helpful in explaining a lot of this. Unfortunately, there are a lot of questions he can't answer and we get the ol' "It's up to the FAA response."
The key excuses I'm getting are:
1. Southerly winds--safety is cited and the need for head winds on landing. The engineer admitted though that this is only part of the story.
2. The need for a 3 degree angle of descent. Bigger planes can request to fly lower because of their weight and the FAA usually allows this. Again safety is cited although the engineer admitted to me that this exagerated. They fly pretty low for a long time over Nassau.
3. The biggest excuse given to me was that the FAA has to coordinate air traffic with all 3 major airports in mind. This of course is true, but lends itself to such a complex answer that it is hard to fact check these guys. Clearly LGA airspace won't be very compromised if we have more ocean arrivals or if we try to mitigate noise by using more varied approaches over the Island.
Basically, there seem to be 3 main approaches:
ILS, RNAV, VOR, and the Belmont Visual. The problem is that some of these procedures overlap each other meaning that specific neighborhoods bear the great brunt of the noise pollution.
I don't see a lot of hope for changing these paths without Congressional support. We have to really get McCarthy going on this.
Winds are North at JFK now, as they have been all day, but guess what, the noise is TERRIBLE tonight. The wind excuse is total BS. Whining jet engines every 2 minutes.
Landing in a tailwind and flying low over heavily populated central Nassau....safety sure is a priority aint it?
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I live in northwest Levittown now, and I don't think the plane noise is all that bad. Maybe it's because when I was a little kid I lived in Queens where the jets were very close to the ground. I also just moved from an area in Queens where I was just 10 blocks from the airport. I hardly got the noise, but when it was stormy, it was incredibly loud with the departures being right there. So this really isn't a big deal to me. But I do feel bad for those people who are annoyed by this and not used to it.
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