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Old 01-20-2009, 02:24 PM
 
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SCPD is scheduled to work a couple of days more than a teacher per year. Start at 57K, 98K base in 5 years, High school Diploma is the only qualification. Overtime is in abundance, most are making well over 100K for most of their careers, retire in 20 years with 50% of last 3 years salary. They pay nothing into medical.

Teachers need 6 years of school. You usually don't get close to 100K until you've been teaching for 20 years. In most districts teachers pay into their medical insurance. You retire after 30 years.

If you think those 2 compensation packages are comparable..you aren't very good with math. I don't know a single teacher who drives a Mercedes.

Nothing like Internet hyperbole and lies!!

I never said I knew teachers that drive Mercedes but they certainly could. Sure the SCPD gets paid more and they should! It doesn't change the fact teachers get paid too much. Less work, more money at our expense.

To get into SCPD you may only need a HS education in theory but with so many ppl taking the test only the highest scoring individuals will make it. Even thats not a guarantee because then you have those with military experience, or worked in the NYPD, and minoroties/women to compete with. The chances of your average person out of HS getting into SCPD or NCPD is slim to none.

 
Old 01-20-2009, 02:29 PM
 
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I don't know. I guess you bought your home pre-housing bubble when middle class homes still were priced in line with what the middle class earns.

On way less than 100K a year, I wanna see you qualify for a (non-LIAR) mortgage for a starter home on Long Island. Plus make sure you have a decent downpayment (at least 10%) and all the closing costs ready in cash.
I did buy my current home with the equity I built on my first home. Although ultimately it ended up being more of a lateral move than upgrade.
I bought a falling down ****-shack in '99 and resurrected it from the dead.
The day I drove the last nail in it I put it on the market. That same day, right after I signed with the realtor, the market fell apart.

I don't think in this economy, starting out from square one, that I would be able to afford a home.
 
Old 01-20-2009, 02:38 PM
 
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I never said I knew teachers that drive Mercedes but they certainly could. Sure the SCPD gets paid more and they should! It doesn't change the fact teachers get paid too much. Less work, more money at our expense.

To get into SCPD you may only need a HS education in theory but with so many ppl taking the test only the highest scoring individuals will make it. Even thats not a guarantee because then you have those with military experience, or worked in the NYPD, and minoroties/women to compete with. The chances of your average person out of HS getting into SCPD or NCPD is slim to none.
That's may or may not be the case now, but definitely was not the case with many guys currently on the force. I know at least 2 guys who've been on SCPD for around 10 years who got special consideration because their dads were also SCPD...I know because they bragged about it.

On SCPD getting paid more than teachers, we'll have to disagree there. The fact that 14,000 sign up for the test and are all qualified from the get go shows that the position is not a commodity warranting those kind of salaries. 6 years of school is 6 years of school...it costs money and there is work involved. That's 6 years of not earning money.
 
Old 01-20-2009, 02:46 PM
 
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Thanks for the tip on voting out school boards.

I don't see why salaries and benefits have to be exempt from the budget the public votes on. They are a large part of the budget. Having a vote without those being included is incomplete to say the least. Also in tough times, people should be willing to sacrifice for the good of all in their particular union, etc. Like the autoworkers. Apparently their unions would rather have NO jobs for some or all of their members than to cut the wages down a few dollars per hour. It's counterproductive to the good of all.

The seniors who vote against the school budget and do not care about the education for the kids are effectively being stupid because they are cutting off their own noses to spite their faces. If the services for the kids get starved, the quality of the school district goes down, which in turn affects property VALUES. So some greedy old goats don't want to pay to keep a quality school district going, yet I am sure they will expect TOP DOLLAR for their unimproved cape with the original kitchen and bathroom and the panelled "rec room" with fake bar in the basement, since, after all, they are in a "good school district."

So some teachers do pay part of their benefit costs like the rest of us in 2009. Let me ask you, do they pay for HERS entirely and she only pays a portion of the FAMILY cost or does she have to pay for part of HERS too like the rest of the working world in 2009?

As for your comment on inaccurate information floating around, all you definitively know about is one school district, the one your wife works for, so please do not speak as if you are an expert on every single one of them here on LI. I am sure there are plenty of school districts on LI whose teachers contribute NOTHING to their health insurance costs as if we were still in the 1950s.
She pays in for the whole family.

So, let me get this straight about the last part: you can throw inaccurate information all over the place, and don't have to have anything to back it up, other than "I'm sure" , but I'm held to a higher standard. I don't think so, pal.

No, it isn't just my wife's district that pays on. I know of at least 2 others. Stop spreading misinformation.
 
Old 01-20-2009, 02:47 PM
 
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That's may or may not be the case now, but definitely was not the case with many guys currently on the force. I know at least 2 guys who've been on SCPD for around 10 years who got special consideration because their dads were also SCPD...I know because they bragged about it.

On SCPD getting paid more than teachers, we'll have to disagree there. The fact that 14,000 sign up for the test and are all qualified from the get go shows that the position is not a commodity warranting those kind of salaries. 6 years of school is 6 years of school...it costs money and there is work involved. That's 6 years of not earning money.

I think the odds of getting into the SCPD are about the same if not harder as becoming a teacher. Thats another aspect if a parent was a cop or teacher they can make sure their kid gets in. Lots of politics involved right now to get either job.
 
Old 01-20-2009, 02:48 PM
 
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What? I don't know a single teacher at my wifes school who drives a Mercedes or BMW.

No one that I know is complaining either...they do get tired of being bashed by people, yes, but they also realize that their jobs are stable and that they are doing well. They also realize that if they had masters in business or accounting or nursing, they'd probably be making similar salaries to what they are making now.

There is definitely a lot of poetic license used by some people on LI when talking about teachers, that's for sure. Benzs and BMW's.....maybe you are talking about the kids at Ward Melville HS. LOL.
I know you're being a wiseguy, but the kids at the elementary schools aren't driving the high end luxury cars to the 3V elementary schools -- the ones which have window or bumper stickers which read "My Child is an Honor Student at ___Insert name of affluent school district here_____"

WMHS -- well that's an entirely different animal. Believe me, my child is not going to be driving anything nicer than I do -- a 9 year old, middle of the road little American car.
 
Old 01-20-2009, 02:56 PM
 
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I think the odds of getting into the SCPD are about the same if not harder as becoming a teacher. Thats another aspect if a parent was a cop or teacher they can make sure their kid gets in. Lots of politics involved right now to get either job.
You're missing the point...the ACTUAL QUALIFICATIONS for being on SCPD are: a HS diploma, a clean record.

The fact that there are 2500 jobs should have nothing to do with how much they are paid. There are thousands of police jobs available in NYC. The demand for cops is not high. The demand to GET SCPD jobs is high..because their salaries are insane.
 
Old 01-20-2009, 02:59 PM
 
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I know you're being a wiseguy, but the kids at the elementary schools aren't driving the high end luxury cars to the 3V elementary schools -- the ones which have window or bumper stickers which read "My Child is an Honor Student at ___Insert name of affluent school district here_____"

WMHS -- well that's an entirely different animal. Believe me, my child is not going to be driving anything nicer than I do -- a 9 year old, middle of the road little American car.

Again I know...a few dozen teachers..the only ones who live in affluent areas are married to guys with big paying jobs, or their parents gave them money. Most of them live in Patchogue, Ronkonkoma, Port Jeff Station...real big money....their Port Jeff Station split level and the Honda CRV in the driveway!!! Livin' large.

 
Old 01-20-2009, 03:22 PM
 
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You're missing the point...the ACTUAL QUALIFICATIONS for being on SCPD are: a HS diploma, a clean record.

The fact that there are 2500 jobs should have nothing to do with how much they are paid. There are thousands of police jobs available in NYC. The demand for cops is not high. The demand to GET SCPD jobs is high..because their salaries are insane.
Who's arguing that? While all you may need is a clean record or HS diploma, that alone will NOT get you in. So many ppl want the job so this decreases your chances of getting it obviously. Then you have all the other X factors which may not be mandatory but will dictate if and when you ever get selected.
 
Old 01-20-2009, 03:28 PM
 
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Who's arguing that? While all you may need is a clean record or HS diploma, that alone will NOT get you in. So many ppl want the job so this decreases your chances of getting it obviously. Then you have all the other X factors which may not be mandatory but will dictate if and when you ever get selected.
You're missing the point.
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