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You know that massing up troops on the border of another coutry is provacitive and considered an act of war right?
It could be disorderly conduct, creating a disturbance, breach of peace, or even assault (assault is threatening someone or trying to hit them and missing; battery is hitting someone. All of those things are against the law without physical contact.
well then...it's obvous that he should have immediately called the authorities after being assualted in such a vicious manner.
Instead, he chose to exit his vehicle and stand in the middle of the road. I don't have the relevant data in front of me, but I'm thinking that standing in traffic greatly increases yoru chances of being hit by a car. Just a hunch...
Giving someone the finger and driving off is assault? I'm sure the kid did provoke him..probably called him names, challenged his manhood, etc...the guy got out of his car. His fatal mistake. If he simply stayed in his car, or even got back in and drove off after the FIRST time, he'd be alive today, maybe with a slightly bruised ego at worst. A message to every tough guy on LI overflowing with bravado..grow up.
Screaming out the window giving someone the finger and yelling your going to kick someones ass is assault and you can be charged with many things.
Cutting off another vehicle in an act of road rage is assault with a deadly weapon (Your vehicle).
Getting out of your car and pounding on someone else car is assault.
Intentionally running over someone with your car is manslaughter.
The guy would have spent the night in jail. The kid will spend 10 years in jail.
I don’t know why you guys are going light on the kid. You have no idea the facts of the case or the chain of events that led up to the final exchange. You are simply postulating that the guy was wrong and the kid was right. Let hope you and 56 never make it to a jury trial.
Screaming out the window giving someone the finger and yelling your going to kick someones ass is assault and you can be charged with many things.
Cutting off another vehicle in an act of road rage is assault with a deadly weapon (Your vehicle).
Getting out of your car and pounding on someone else car is assault.
Intentionally running over someone with your car is manslaughter.
The guy would have spent the night in jail. The kid will spend 10 years in jail.
I don’t know why you guys are going light on the kid. You have no idea the facts of the case or the chain of events that led up to the final exchange. You are simply postulating that the guy was wrong and the kid was right. Let hope you and 56 never make it to a jury trial.
Running someone over with a car after they've chased you for blocks, run red lights, pounded on your car, on top of the fact that they are physically imposing. There's more to the story than the simple "he ran over a guy!!" part of it. It is pretty much accepted fact that the guy chased the kid, running red lights, and got out of his car twice, threatening him with assault. That isn't the same as some one recklessly driving on the shoulder, running someone over...that's manslaughter. This kid was being threatened by violence for a significant amount of time..his car was blocked in by the guy, witnesses said that the guy acted like a nut.
Granted, the kid looks like a Moderator cut: language form the pictures.
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Screaming out the window giving someone the finger and yelling your going to kick someones ass is assault and you can be charged with many things.
Cutting off another vehicle in an act of road rage is assault with a deadly weapon (Your vehicle).
Getting out of your car and pounding on someone else car is assault.
Intentionally running over someone with your car is manslaughter.
The guy would have spent the night in jail. The kid will spend 10 years in jail.
How can you be so sure? After all:
"You have no idea the facts of the case or the chain of events that led up to the final exchange. "
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I don’t know why you guys are going light on the kid. You have no idea the facts of the case or the chain of events that led up to the final exchange. You are simply postulating that the guy was wrong and the kid was right. Let hope you and 56 never make it to a jury trial.
I don't think anyone thinks the kid is blameless, but based what's been reported so far, the deceased is the one responsible for prolonging and escalating the situation. Bottom line, if the idiot had not gotten out of his car, he'd still be alive.
Have the eyewitnesses stated if he actually just drove right over the guy intentionally? I don't know the details so I'm not taking sides on this matter - both sides allowed the situation to escalate and it ended in tragedy for both, that's all I'll agree to.
That being the case, is it possible that the Altima driver was afraid of this raging guy, who is now blocking him with his car, on the street, pounding on his car, demanding he get out to get an ass kicking, and in desparation, he tried to drive off to protect himself (or run like a wuss, whatever - doesn't matter)? In the event of trying to drive off, the Porsche driver throws himself in front of the Altima to try and stop him, gets hit, clipped, dragged under car, etc?
On the other hand, did it happen such that the Altima driver saw the Porsche driver on the street, banging away at his car, and he thought "********** guy, I'll teach him to mess with me" and he aimed his car square at the guy, drove over him with intent to harm?
I don't know which way it went, and I'm genuinely curious.
How can you be so sure? After all:
"You have no idea the facts of the case or the chain of events that led up to the final exchange. "
I don't think anyone thinks the kid is blameless, but based what's been reported so far, the deceased is the one responsible for prolonging and escalating the situation. Bottom line, if the idiot had not gotten out of his car, he'd still be alive.
And if the kid kept his foot on the break the guy would still be alive. I am saying both were at fault. You seem the kid should just go home and get a slap on the wrist. That’s not going to happen. He will be charged criminally and sued civilly. He will probably lose both cases.
Im also saying you don’t know what the kid did so send the guy over the edge. Maybe nothing. Maybe he tried to run the guy off the road. Maybe he told the guy to pull over and that he was going to kick his ass. There are way to many variables to make a determination at this point yet you have already drawn your conclusion.
If found guilty of manslaughter he will most likely get up to 10 years. Given the nature of the incident they might go light on him. But you can bet for sure he is going to jail for manslaughter.
If the guy jumped out on the highway and stood in his lane and the kid had a green light and ran him over I would say he would have a better case. The kid was blocked off and cornered and stopped. The guy was crazy to get out and he paid for it with his life. The kid not only ran the guy over. That means taking his foot off the break and putting it on the gas. He also tried to flee the scene and was stopped. He will be charged with manslaughter and when a few attorneys get done with it he will go to jail for it.
The guy might have been crazy at the time. Temporary insanity or whatever. But he didnt deserve to die. Im sure he has some family that is grieving his death right now. Its a sad case no matter how you look at it.
And if the kid kept his foot on the break the guy would still be alive. I am saying both were at fault. You seem the kid should just go home and get a slap on the wrist. That’s not going to happen. He will be charged criminally and sued civilly. He will probably lose both cases.
Im also saying you don’t know what the kid did so send the guy over the edge. Maybe nothing. Maybe he tried to run the guy off the road. Maybe he told the guy to pull over and that he was going to kick his ass. There are way to many variables to make a determination at this point yet you have already drawn your conclusion.
If found guilty of manslaughter he will most likely get up to 10 years. Given the nature of the incident they might go light on him. But you can bet for sure he is going to jail for manslaughter.
If the guy jumped out on the highway and stood in his lane and the kid had a green light and ran him over I would say he would have a better case. The kid was blocked off and cornered and stopped. The guy was crazy to get out and he paid for it with his life. The kid not only ran the guy over. That means taking his foot off the break and putting it on the gas. He also tried to flee the scene and was stopped. He will be charged with manslaughter and when a few attorneys get done with it he will go to jail for it.
The guy might have been crazy at the time. Temporary insanity or whatever. But he didnt deserve to die. Im sure he has some family that is grieving his death right now. Its a sad case no matter how you look at it.
The kid took his foot off the brake to get away from the maniac, not to run the guy over according to eye-witnesses. The kid tried to avoid the guy but couldn't. Not the same thing as lining the guy up and running him over.
The kid took his foot off the brake to get away from the maniac, not to run the guy over according to eye-witnesses. The kid tried to avoid the guy but couldn't. Not the same thing as lining the guy up and running him over.
Show me where you are getting your info from. Id like to see the testimony of the witnesses. Show me anything...
And if the kid kept his foot on the break the guy would still be alive. I am saying both were at fault. You seem the kid should just go home and get a slap on the wrist. That’s not going to happen. He will be charged criminally and sued civilly. He will probably lose both cases.Im also saying you don’t know what the kid did so send the guy over the edge. Maybe nothing. Maybe he tried to run the guy off the road. Maybe he told the guy to pull over and that he was going to kick his ass.
This is likely irrelevant. I'm not an attorney, but I'm pretty sure a dead person's state of mind won't and can't be part of the trial, if there is one. We'll likely never know what started it.
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There are way to many variables to make a determination at this point yet you have already drawn your conclusion.
All I've concluded is that someone who exits his car, starts kicking another person's car, and tries to physically assault that person is responsible to some degree for what happens next.
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If found guilty of manslaughter he will most likely get up to 10 years. Given the nature of the incident they might go light on him. But you can bet for sure he is going to jail for manslaughter.
once AGAIN:
"There are way to many variables to make a determination at this point yet you have already drawn your conclusion."
I love it how you're the only one allowed to draw conclusions...lol.
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If the guy jumped out on the highway and stood in his lane and the kid had a green light and ran him over I would say he would have a better case. The kid was blocked off and cornered and stopped. The guy was crazy to get out and he paid for it with his life. The kid not only ran the guy over. That means taking his foot off the break and putting it on the gas.
He was also crazy for chasing the kid through traffic and risking innocent people's lives in the name of road rage. Also, isn't it possible the deceased jumped in front of the car at the last second? Or was on the hood of the car when Potts decided to hit the gas? I don't know about you, but to me it seems unlikely that in the middle of the whole incident, the deceased suddenly decided to suspend his assault on Potts' car, walk 10 or so feet in front of the car, and give Potts a few seconds to ponder whether or not he should hit the gas.
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He also tried to flee the scene and was stopped.
Sounds to me like he was trying to flee an assault.
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He will be charged with manslaughter and when a few attorneys get done with it he will go to jail for it.
IF he's found guilty. You keep skipping over that part! It's kind of an important detail.
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The guy might have been crazy at the time. Temporary insanity or whatever. But he didnt deserve to die. Im sure he has some family that is grieving his death right now. Its a sad case no matter how you look at it.
I don't think anyone is making that point. I certainly don't think he deserved to die...but his actions obviously contributed towards his own death. The guy chose to turn a verbal dispute into a physical confrontation. Once he chose to make things physical, he placed himself at risk of being seriously hurt - and that's exactly what happened.
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