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Old 11-05-2009, 01:29 PM
 
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But they have the bank roll to pay those players. Whats the Mets excuse? They are in the same city with the same demographics($). Why cant they win?
Because their management has them convinced (and they always listen to Boras) that headcase players like Ollie Perez are actually worth signing and worth their contracts.
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Old 11-05-2009, 01:31 PM
 
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I'm a Steelers, Pirates, and Penguins fan....not a Mets fan. Two of my teams were able to win Championships based on outstanding ownership, general management, scouting, coaching, and talent. The other had its 17th straight losing season in sports league with no real parity and a broken collective bargaining arrangement.

Yankee fans can rejoice all they want in this victory, but the rest of the country knows this title was bought and paid for. I laugh everytime a Yankee fan talks about "teamwork". None of that matters without 400 million in free agents. Let's think about it...that's almost a half a BILLION dollars.

The Yankee fans I respect the most are the ones that are honest about the situation and realize they aren't playing on a level playing field. Unfortunately, there aren't that many of them around.
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Old 11-05-2009, 01:32 PM
 
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Yeah, they just picked up a few players. More like the 3 most expensive free agents available. LOL. But it's about teamwork.

The Knicks have a salary cap.

The Mets, while having the 2nd highest payroll in baseball and being poorly managed by the awful Omar Minaya, spent 65 million dollars less than the Yankees. That's the entire payroll of the St. Louis Cardinals,guys. Who the hell do Yankee fans think they are kidding?
It was $52 million, and the Yanks payroll dropped about $8 million from 2008

2009 Baseball Team Payrolls - Total and Average Salaries for Major League Baseball Players

Anyway of course they spent an absurd amount of $$ no one is denying that, however they spent it smarter than they have the last few years and certainly smarter than Omar.
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Old 11-05-2009, 01:34 PM
 
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But they have the bank roll to pay those players. Whats the Mets excuse? They are in the same city with the same demographics($). Why cant they win?
The Yankees have been around since when? The Mets have been around since when?

The Yankees brand name transcends the sport like not other teams, kinda like Manchester United Soccer, which plays in a professional league that most resembles MLB. The English Premiership is basically a contest between the same 4 teams every year because there is such a huge disparity in revenue. And, it's pretty boring.


The Steinbrenners got a steal on a decaying brand name that still had enormous potential for growth. They also bought a team that most players from all over the world will play for for less money than other teams..Hidecki Matsui, for instance, Japan's home run king, was basically all about Yankees or bust. Not only do players get paid more by the Yankees, but their marketability in terms of endorsements is so much higher. The Steinbrenners got good price on the Yankees, so that was good business, but they are at an immense competitive advantage because they are in NY. The Mets have an advantage too, but relative to the Yankees, no one else is on the same playing field.

If football and basketball didn't have salary caps, you'd see the same thing. The Cowboys would have Peyton Manning right now.

Simple point: I'd love to see how much Yankee "magic" there would be if there were a salary cap.
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Old 11-05-2009, 01:42 PM
 
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Dman,

The Yankees would be the Redskins of MLB if there was a salary cap. I have no doubt about it.
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Old 11-05-2009, 01:44 PM
 
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It was $52 million, and the Yanks payroll dropped about $8 million from 2008

2009 Baseball Team Payrolls - Total and Average Salaries for Major League Baseball Players

Anyway of course they spent an absurd amount of $$ no one is denying that, however they spent it smarter than they have the last few years and certainly smarter than Omar.
How can you say that? They don't "think"..they just get the most expensive free agent every few years....there's nothing smart about it at all.

A-rod finally performed in the Post season and Texiera and Sabathia were actually worth the money. But how did the Yankees management get smarter than they were when they grabbed Kevin Brown and Jason Giambi and Mike Mussina and Carl Pavano? The players actually performed, but there was no "thinking" involved.

There's no thinking involved in simply out bidding everyone else on the guys who are considered the best free agents out there. Was Texiara a 2nd level free agent that the brilliant Yankee brass knew would blossom in NY? No, everyone knew he'd be the highest paid position player in the off season..that's called a "no brainer".

There's some serious cognitive dissonance going on here with Yankee fans. The Yankees simply pay free agents a lot, and grabbed the 3 highest paid free agents in the off season. 2 of them turned out to be worth it. That's not "smart" it's luck. Also, because the Yankees have so much money, they can overpay a guy like Jeter to stay around for years..he's getting paid huge money to produce numbers that guys making less than half of what he is making produce. Other teams lose home grown guys like him all the time because they get outbid by bigger teams.
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Old 11-05-2009, 01:57 PM
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Yankee fans can rejoice all they want in this victory, but the rest of the country knows this title was bought and paid for.
If that were the case, they would win EVERY year.
They won fair and square, Philly gave them a run for their money.
Philly is an awesome team, and I gotta tip my hat to them.
The Yankees were just slightly better this year.
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Old 11-05-2009, 01:59 PM
 
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Because their management has them convinced (and they always listen to Boras) that headcase players like Ollie Perez are actually worth signing and worth their contracts.

Ever heard of Carlo Pavano..Kevin Brown....? An extra 50-60 million dollars goes a long way to covering up mistakes. Cashman is just as bad a general manager as Omar, he just gets an extra 50-60 million to work with. I know, that extra 50 million makes NO difference.
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Old 11-05-2009, 02:01 PM
 
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If that were the case, they would win EVERY year.
They won fair and square, Philly gave them a run for their money.
Philly is an awesome team, and I gotta tip my hat to them.
The Yankees were just slightly better this year.
Exactly. Because if that were true, then how could the Marlins beat the Yankees and celebrate at Yankee stadium, how could the Angels win the World Series, how could Boston come back from a 3 - 0 deficit to beat the Yankees in the playoffs?

There have been teams with lower payroll than the Yankees who have won the World Series. Also explain their 9 year drought of not winning it all.
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Old 11-05-2009, 02:03 PM
 
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If that were the case, they would win EVERY year.
They won fair and square, Philly gave them a run for their money.
Philly is an awesome team, and I gotta tip my hat to them.
The Yankees were just slightly better this year.
More Yankee fan lack of nuance. Have you ever heard of a thing called DEGREE?

The Yankees are in the playoffs every year...since 1995, they've been in every year except one. They do "win" every year. They lose playoff series because they face hot teams or their players underperform or they have bad luck...that's what happens in a short series, but in the big picture, they have a tremendous advantage. Just because the Yankees don't win the WS every year doesn't mean the argument about payroll isn't valid. You'd have to be 5 years old to buy that straw man.
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