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Old 11-09-2009, 02:44 PM
grant516
 
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I'm sorry, but once again- I'm curious the downright negativity always placed on renters-

It's my knowledge that a renter pays money to a landlord for their location- the landlord uses that rent money to cover their mortgage and taxes.

So why shouldn't renters who are paying to live in a property have access to the schools in the area they live in?

Is it because they aren't paying the taxes directly?
Plenty of other places in the country have rental communities, and those kids go to school... some of which are good, and some of which are not.

I rent, and don't have kids- should my landlord be returning portions of money to me?
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Old 11-09-2009, 02:50 PM
 
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I'm sorry, but once again- I'm curious the downright negativity always placed on renters-

It's my knowledge that a renter pays money to a landlord for their location- the landlord uses that rent money to cover their mortgage and taxes.

So why shouldn't renters who are paying to live in a property have access to the schools in the area they live in?

Is it because they aren't paying the taxes directly?
Plenty of other places in the country have rental communities, and those kids go to school... some of which are good, and some of which are not.

I rent, and don't have kids- should my landlord be returning portions of money to me?


Chances are hes not paying his far share when it costs about 12k a year to educate a kid.

Remember, if your apartment is illegal hes paying nothing.(Keep in mind schools arent our only services).
If your apartment is legal you are most likely covering your trash,streets and maybe cops(thank you).

Listen, if I didnt shoulder the taxes and I had a kid in the district Id vote for the budget in every time.
Renters are not the problem, my apologies if I implied they were but it should be folks who have some skin in the game accountable for their districts budgets.

Somethings gotta give or we'll all be renters.

Crooks

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Old 11-09-2009, 04:53 PM
 
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Its either that or forbid renters from voting on School Budgets.

Crooks
I am ALL FOR this. DH and I discussed it after the last school budget vote;when we voted on the last budget my DH and I were pretty annoyed to see H.S. kids voting. There aren't too many renters in my town, but I agree with you wholeheartedly. You should have to show your deed to vote.
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Old 11-09-2009, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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I am ALL FOR this. DH and I discussed it after the last school budget vote;when we voted on the last budget my DH and I were pretty annoyed to see H.S. kids voting. There aren't too many renters in my town, but I agree with you wholeheartedly. You should have to show your deed to vote.
I knew someone whose parents forced her and her brothers to vote AGAINST the school district budget, so you cannot assume what those kids were voting for or against ... maybe their parents told them the same thing. They all lived in the same house, but weren't renters per se. They weren't teenagers still in high school, but still very young and some could have been mistaken for high school age.

I think renters of LEGAL apartments should be allowed to vote on the school budget. Who do you think when the property taxes go up the landlord passes the costs on to?

The school budget is a rigged game. So many will trick you and if you vote against it ... taa daa ... like magic the fall back budget is even larger than the one you voted against!
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Old 11-09-2009, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Huntington
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Who do you think when the property taxes go up the landlord passes the costs on to?[/b]

Rent has gone down significantly due to the economic slump - what makes you think rent that is paid to a landlord actually covers all of the landlord's expenses - the largest expense being real estate taxes? In a perfect landlord world the rent would cover all expenses, including damage done by tenants.

Unfortunately New York is not an easy place to be a landlord due to laws favoring tenants (other states' laws are more fair), and today trying to build in a monetary cushion for damage and other unforeseeable problems into the rent is just about impossible. Typical renters want to pay as little as possible. The other side of that coin is the landlord just trying to be able to pay all of the corresponding bills in order to run the rental properly. Keep in mind a landlord wants to be able to show about a 3% profit after taxes for all his/her work and aggravation. A landlord isn't running a property just to break even. If that were the case, who could be bothered?

Another poster said that if taxes keep increasing we'll all be renting - who will actually be the landlords? Higher and higher RE taxes will eventually force landlord/investors into selling their properties and then where will you find a rental? Probably only in illegal, dumpy apartments and houses.
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Old 11-09-2009, 07:56 PM
 
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I knew someone whose parents forced her and her brothers to vote AGAINST the school district budget, so you cannot assume what those kids were voting for or against ... maybe their parents told them the same thing. They all lived in the same house, but weren't renters per se. They weren't teenagers still in high school, but still very young and some could have been mistaken for high school age.

I think renters of LEGAL apartments should be allowed to vote on the school budget. Who do you think when the property taxes go up the landlord passes the costs on to?

The school budget is a rigged game. So many will trick you and if you vote against it ... taa daa ... like magic the fall back budget is even larger than the one you voted against!

Actulally he'll raise the rent and pocket the difference.

Chances are hes not paying 12k plus in taxes per unit.
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Old 11-09-2009, 07:58 PM
 
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Rent has gone down significantly due to the economic slump - what makes you think rent that is paid to a landlord actually covers all of the landlord's expenses - the largest expense being real estate taxes? In a perfect landlord world the rent would cover all expenses, including damage done by tenants.

Unfortunately New York is not an easy place to be a landlord due to laws favoring tenants (other states' laws are more fair), and today trying to build in a monetary cushion for damage and other unforeseeable problems into the rent is just about impossible. Typical renters want to pay as little as possible. The other side of that coin is the landlord just trying to be able to pay all of the corresponding bills in order to run the rental properly. Keep in mind a landlord wants to be able to show about a 3% profit after taxes for all his/her work and aggravation. A landlord isn't running a property just to break even. If that were the case, who could be bothered?

Another poster said that if taxes keep increasing we'll all be renting - who will actually be the landlords? Higher and higher RE taxes will eventually force landlord/investors into selling their properties and then where will you find a rental? Probably only in illegal, dumpy apartments and houses.

A: Garden Apts/The City/Our Downtowns/Near Mass Transit etc etc etc.

Slumlording and packing 4 familes in a home is criminal.

Trust me its still plenty profitable to slumlord on LI.
My heart does not break for these dbags.

Crooks
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Old 11-10-2009, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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Rent has gone down significantly due to the economic slump - what makes you think rent that is paid to a landlord actually covers all of the landlord's expenses - the largest expense being real estate taxes? In a perfect landlord world the rent would cover all expenses, including damage done by tenants.

Unfortunately New York is not an easy place to be a landlord due to laws favoring tenants (other states' laws are more fair), and today trying to build in a monetary cushion for damage and other unforeseeable problems into the rent is just about impossible. Typical renters want to pay as little as possible. The other side of that coin is the landlord just trying to be able to pay all of the corresponding bills in order to run the rental properly. Keep in mind a landlord wants to be able to show about a 3% profit after taxes for all his/her work and aggravation. A landlord isn't running a property just to break even. If that were the case, who could be bothered?

Another poster said that if taxes keep increasing we'll all be renting - who will actually be the landlords? Higher and higher RE taxes will eventually force landlord/investors into selling their properties and then where will you find a rental? Probably only in illegal, dumpy apartments and houses.
On Long Island, apartment rent has not gone down. It is rising. If the renter "wants to pay as little as possible" does not matter. The landlord makes the rules on what rent they have to pay.

As for "rent not covering all the expenses," I agree that due to the high cost of homes these days if one has a single-family home for rent on LI they may very well NOT be able to get enough rent to cover the expenses.

As for the laws, only the laws in NYC are against the landlord and in favor of the tenant. On LI, the landlord is in charge in the court system, in charge in terms of how much rent they are allowed to ask for (answer: no limits, no rent control), etc. It's better to be a landlord on LI than in NYC by far.
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Old 11-10-2009, 10:22 AM
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Nothing is going to lower our taxes. The best we could possibly hope for is the increases to slow down a bit. Which probabally wont affect the school portion, which is the biggest kick in the nads part of our taxes.
And yes, school budgets are a scam.
Heads I win, Tails you lose.
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Old 11-10-2009, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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Nothing is going to lower our taxes. The best we could possibly hope for is the increases to slow down a bit. Which probabally wont affect the school portion, which is the biggest kick in the nads part of our taxes.
And yes, school budgets are a scam.
Heads I win, Tails you lose.
Absolutely!

When the contingency budget is higher than the budget the taxpayers vote on (which happens more often than we'd care for), that's what you call it! Taxpayer CANNOT win.
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