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Old 03-25-2010, 02:00 PM
 
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Many jobs on LI pay 90K. Pretty much any union-building tradesman(steam fitter, Sheet metal, electrician) makes this, with no overtime.
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Old 03-25-2010, 02:12 PM
 
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Ivy is definitely not end-all. I would look at something like percentage of students going to Princeton guide best colleges or something like that. I think these elite public schools send over 80% of kids to these 'best' colleges. Duke, UVA, UMich, Stanford, NYU, etc are all great schools that are not ivy.
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Old 03-25-2010, 02:59 PM
 
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Many jobs on LI pay 90K. Pretty much any union-building tradesman(steam fitter, Sheet metal, electrician) makes this, with no overtime.

Does that include their furloughs and unemployment?
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Old 03-25-2010, 03:35 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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East Williston has 20% of it's graduates go onto Ivy League or Stanford, and the median income for the CDP is way over $200K.

Yes it's the highest paying district on LI, but with only 3 schools and it's HS considered a public elite... the tax dollars actually get a lot of bang for the buck.

If you can live in a place where you can send your kids to Wheatley HS, your taxes are a drop in the bucket for you.
Take a look at the lowest performing districts on LI too.

Their teacher salaries, benefits, pensions, etc., are also high. For example, the teacher with the biggest paycheck as of last year works for Central Islip.

So high pay and benefits are not based on performance of the students, reflected onto the teachers who taught them.

It's based on the performance of the unions and their ability to know what every other school district is paying their teachers so they can scream and cry, "NOT FAIR! We want more! That district got more, so we want more!" Ad infinitum.
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Old 03-25-2010, 03:42 PM
 
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Dont really understand the question.

This number does not include unemployment. Each union has a set amount in their employee contract they pay into incase of unemployment, disability, etc.

The top workers do not get unemployed.


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Does that include their furloughs and unemployment?
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Old 03-25-2010, 04:08 PM
 
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All the Districts are with salaries like that here in NYS. Teachers can go as high as $125,000 at retirement.

To make it worse, the Supts. make $225,000+ per year with contracts holding them in 3 year intervals. Not sure about other states, but this is a big reason our taxes are the way they are
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Old 03-25-2010, 04:11 PM
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Take a look at the lowest performing districts on LI too.

Their teacher salaries, benefits, pensions, etc., are also high. For example, the teacher with the biggest paycheck as of last year works for Central Islip.

So high pay and benefits are not based on performance of the students, reflected onto the teachers who taught them.

It's based on the performance of the unions and their ability to know what every other school district is paying their teachers so they can scream and cry, "NOT FAIR! We want more! That district got more, so we want more!" Ad infinitum.
An Amityville, Roosevelt, Wyndanch teacher is paid about 12-18% less than the ones mentioned in this thread- with generally more funding going per student. It is a shame they don't see as well results, but as we all know a lot of the success of the child, comes from the product of the parent. It's easier to get a job in one of these places as compared to higher paying places, so the market is kind of on point with that.

All unions will attempt to bargain up the highest amount they can get when their contract is up for renewal, for many districts on LI, that's currently 0,1,2%. What employee or union in their right mind wouldn't try to get as much as they can have coming to them?- and if the board approves them, so be it- that's the same as having the taxpayers blessing.

Teachers have a good job in downstate NY. As do those who work in finance, contract union labor, and police.

How can you justify though why a best buy manager in San Antonio, Texas will make 45K and for the same job here in Westbury, NY only pull in 50K?

A lot of private industry doesen't want to pay the COL for New York, and has moved their operations elsewhere. You're insane if you live here and are taking to work that pays less than 50K if you have a college degree.
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Old 03-25-2010, 04:26 PM
 
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well, what do you people think teachers deserve for 9 months of dealing with your children... if you capped it at 125k - you could save 375,000 a year on the 15 teachers who are making 150k.
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Old 03-25-2010, 04:57 PM
 
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I think people on these boards must mainly hang out with rich people. The fact is that the median HOUSEHOLD income in Nassau is 85k. So, for you to say 90k PER PERSON is nothing is frankly a slap in the face to most of your fellow Long Islanders. It's this mentality that helps justify the extortion-like taxes.

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Unless you can prove to me a correlation between high paid teachers and student performance, your argument for EW school district is empty. I can point you easily to school districts like Uniondale, Hempstead, Wyandanch and others that have very highly paid teachers and poorly performing students.

It's not the teachers that make the difference. As long as you have competent teachers, it really is the FAMILIES and the socio-economic status that make the difference in achievement.
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Old 03-25-2010, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Nassau, Long Island, NY
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An Amityville, Roosevelt, Wyndanch teacher is paid about 12-18% less than the ones mentioned in this thread- with generally more funding going per student. It is a shame they don't see as well results, but as we all know a lot of the success of the child, comes from the product of the parent. It's easier to get a job in one of these places as compared to higher paying places, so the market is kind of on point with that.

All unions will attempt to bargain up the highest amount they can get when their contract is up for renewal, for many districts on LI, that's currently 0,1,2%. What employee or union in their right mind wouldn't try to get as much as they can have coming to them?- and if the board approves them, so be it- that's the same as having the taxpayers blessing.

Teachers have a good job in downstate NY. As do those who work in finance, contract union labor, and police.

How can you justify though why a best buy manager in San Antonio, Texas will make 45K and for the same job here in Westbury, NY only pull in 50K?

A lot of private industry doesen't want to pay the COL for New York, and has moved their operations elsewhere. You're insane if you live here and are taking to work that pays less than 50K if you have a college degree.
I'm sure they are still making quite a bit more than the teachers who teach in private schools, plus they don't have to fund their own retirement (pension not 401k like the rest of us), nor do they have to use Medicare (benefits package not just for duration of service, but for LIFE). I won't be crying for them anytime soon.

As for union bargaining, I am just a bit tired of being accused of "crying and whining and complaining over what other people get paid, their benefits and their job security," "being jealous of them," etc.

There's a lot of crying and whining and complaining and jealousy by their unions to get that pay, benefits and job security up to the loftiest spectrums imaginable, isn't there?

So why can't the taxpayer, who is the forced paycheck writer vent a little? Oh no! We're not allowed, but when unions push the envelope to more and more insane heights, that's just dandy.

As for "justifying" anything that happens in the private sector: I don't have any answers for them. It's THEIR company, they pay what they want. In the private sector, the one who writes out the paycheck makes the decisions on pay and benefits. In the public sector, the one who funds the paychecks and benefits just have their tax money taken away from them by force. There's a big difference, isn't there?
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