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18 to gamble so I think 99.9% of the hofstra students wont need fake id's.
You're right! I didn't realize the legal gambling age in NYS is 18. I just assumed it was like Atlantic City - 21. However, they're going to want to drink too while they gamble so there will still be a big market for fake ids, if it is going to be a full service type of casino.
Agreed. Population density already is too much in that area. Hempstead used to be the urban hub of the island. That's what should be revitalized. Unfortunately, it would take some very tough and controversial decisions on the part of politicians to get that done.
Hempstead on it's own is a long, long way from being revitalized in any capacity. There is no amount of money you could just throw at that village and have it go back to what it was....and because of those problems, I think it would make it that much more difficult to attract tenants to a Lighthouse-scale development in Hempstead as opposed to the relatively "clean slate" of the Coliseum property. Now on the other hand, if the Lighthouse were done as planned as well as some smaller scale development done simultaneously in Hempstead, and the two were somehow linked through viable means of transportation (original plans for the LH included a light rail link between Mineola, Hempstead, Westbury and everything in between...similar to the Hudson-Bergen Light Rail system), then I could see a real transformation starting to take place in Hempstead....but one big real estate project alone isn't a complete game changer.
And population density? East Garden City has the lowest pop. density in Nassau County, by far. There is a lot of traffic in the area, but no one actually lives anywhere near the vicinity of the Coliseum. That whole area is (quite literally) just one big parking lot. Besides all of that, if Long Island is seriously worried about a little more traffic or a few extra kids in a school district (that you couldn't pay most people to send their kids to) then we're not thinking big enough. From the results of this poll and other public opinion pieces published in Newsday, it actually seemed like most Long Islanders were onboard with this massive project. What a refreshing change of pace from the typical NIMBY crap. Unfortunately, Kate Murray and all the other bozos at the Town of Hempstead are insisting upon dragging the whole process to a halt and burying the whole thing under their archaic and shortsighted zoning bullcrap.
IMO, if they keep scaling it back it's not even worth doing. We don't need another mall, we don't need another low-rise office building that will attract $10/hour clerical jobs and we don't need more run-of-the-mill condo/co-op housing. Oh, and we definitely don't need a casino....at least not there. I could see putting one in at Belmont, but it won't do any good as the sole attraction in the asphalt jungle of central Nassau. If they're gonna do that they might as well build a chemical factory or turn it into a garbage dump. Both would be just as productive for the community.
Nassau County is at the same crossroads it has been at for the last 30 years. We are in dire need of good jobs and the companies that provide them to take some of the burden off of residential taxpayers. We have an aging and increasingly useless transportation infrastructure, and we're urban density yet still try to pretend that we're a suburb. I think it's ridiculous when people say Nassau has become like Queens....when did that happen? We've actually lost population over the last 40 years. It was completely built out by the time the 70s started. It's just that instead of making the requisite improvements and adaptations we should have, we've tried to force everything to stay exactly like it was when the postwar suburbs first sprung up, and that is a total joke. Nassau can either "build up" and become the next White Plains or Stamford or it can choke on it's own idiotic nostalgia and NIMBYism. We are rapidly approaching the day when the only types of properties located in Nassau will be residential homes, shopping malls, gas stations and fast food restaurants. When that is entirely realized, paying $12k a year in taxes for a Levitt cape on a 60x100 plot will seem cheap.
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I think they should do the lighthouse project combined with the casino... But really this is all just a pipe dream... They're just going to leave it vacant and watch much of nassau and long island turn into a suburban wasteland bc of all these silly little nimbys...In reality they'll debate this for the next ten years and then ultimately decide on some nice strip mall anchored by a major national chain and some generic office park...
LOL this is, sadly, what actually will happen. I have no doubt about it. Just another worthless mall and a REXCorp South Service Road Special....
To answer the original question, though.....if it were solely up to me, I'd go with the first draft of the Lighthouse proposal. The one with the 60-story skyscraper as it's centerpiece, the LIRR link and a light rail system in place to tie together the entirety of central Nassau. All of the pieces are there, it just has to get built. The only reason this seems so far fetched is because we've become so used to incompetence. If people like Kate Murray ran the world, there would be no Empire State Building, no Brooklyn Bridge, no highways, the railroad would never have reached the west coast and we'd all be living like f-ing Amish people worried that stagecoach traffic was becoming too severe.
Maybe this whole "casino" thing is actually a brilliant ploy by Mangano to force the ToH into signing off on the Lighthouse. "Get this done or I'll fill your stupid parking lot up with Atlantic City hookers!"
I find it hard to believe that a casino in Garden City ...
It's in East Garden City, a hamlet to the immediate east of the Village of Garden City.
05-02-2010, 11:07 AM
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Hempstead on it's own is a long, long way from being revitalized in any capacity. There is no amount of money you could just throw at that village and have it go back to what it was....and because of those problems...
Nassau County is at the same crossroads it has been at for the last 30 years. We are in dire need of good jobs and the companies that provide them to take some of the burden off of residential taxpayers. We have an aging and increasingly useless transportation infrastructure, and we're urban density yet still try to pretend that we're a suburb. I think it's ridiculous when people say Nassau has become like Queens....when did that happen? We've actually lost population over the last 40 years. It was completely built out by the time the 70s started. It's just that instead of making the requisite improvements and adaptations we should have, we've tried to force everything to stay exactly like it was when the postwar suburbs first sprung up, and that is a total joke. Nassau can either "build up" and become the next White Plains or Stamford or it can choke on it's own idiotic nostalgia and NIMBYism. We are rapidly approaching the day when the only types of properties located in Nassau will be residential homes, shopping malls, gas stations and fast food restaurants. When that is entirely realized, paying $12k a year in taxes for a Levitt cape on a 60x100 plot will seem cheap.
LOL this is, sadly, what actually will happen. I have no doubt about it. Just another worthless mall and a REXCorp South Service Road Special....
To answer the original question, though.....if it were solely up to me, I'd go with the first draft of the Lighthouse proposal. The one with the 60-story skyscraper as it's centerpiece, the LIRR link and a light rail system in place to tie together the entirety of central Nassau. All of the pieces are there, it just has to get built. The only reason this seems so far fetched is because we've become so used to incompetence. If people like Kate Murray ran the world, there would be no Empire State Building, no Brooklyn Bridge, no highways, the railroad would never have reached the west coast and we'd all be living like f-ing Amish people worried that stagecoach traffic was becoming too severe.
By a combination of sheer quality facts, a strong hint of bitterness, and perhaps an opinion I just happen to back- I would like to say this may be the greatest post I've ever read on C-D/longisland.
My heart sank months ago when the progress report on the Lighthouse project was halted because of three issues Wang hadn't addressed- How the project would negatively impact traffic in the area, excess garbage/waste, and impact on the water supply.
I've lived in plenty of other places in the country- and last time I checked, those are issues for the city's governing body. If I were a taxpayer in ToH, I'd fight for Kate Murray and crew to sit down, and not leave her office until they figured out how to resolve those issues. Isn't that what these people are paid to do? ... ontop fo that, this is land THEY DONT EVEN own.
There is an LIRR spur in the vicinity of this area -- the circus uses it to bring the animals and equipment in. Priority 1 should be to develop this hub and perhaps create a light rail into Hempstead and to the adjacent shopping areas, universities and colleges to help alleviate traffic congestion.
That will never happen. The RR line you are talking about uses the LIRR Hempstead Line and then cuts through Garden City Village, past many million dollar homes (St. James St. in the village) and then through to East Garden City. It is rarely used, and that neighborhood would rather fight a Civil War than have more train traffic come through. No way that line gets activitated.
The only chance they have is to somehow hook up Mineola with a light rail to Nassau Coliseum. I just don't know how difficult that would be.
As for traffic, that is a MAJOR concern. I dare anyone to spend some time on Old Country Rd., Stewart Ave., or Hempstead Tpke. It is a nightmare of congestion. We simply do not have the ROAD infrastructure to support some of the ideas proposed for the land.
Unless they rethink rail and road transportation to this Nassau "Hub", then it won't work.
That will never happen. The RR line you are talking about uses the LIRR Hempstead Line and then cuts through Garden City Village, past many million dollar homes (St. James St. in the village) and then through to East Garden City. It is rarely used, and that neighborhood would rather fight a Civil War than have more train traffic come through. No way that line gets activitated.
C'mon, when has any project that would be for the good of the Island been stopped by the rich?
That will never happen. The RR line you are talking about uses the LIRR Hempstead Line and then cuts through Garden City Village, past many million dollar homes (St. James St. in the village) and then through to East Garden City. It is rarely used, and that neighborhood would rather fight a Civil War than have more train traffic come through. No way that line gets activitated.
The only chance they have is to somehow hook up Mineola with a light rail to Nassau Coliseum. I just don't know how difficult that would be.
As for traffic, that is a MAJOR concern. I dare anyone to spend some time on Old Country Rd., Stewart Ave., or Hempstead Tpke. It is a nightmare of congestion. We simply do not have the ROAD infrastructure to support some of the ideas proposed for the land.
Unless they rethink rail and road transportation to this Nassau "Hub", then it won't work.
I have sat in that traffic. Good lord I wouldn't want to do it again.
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