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Old 05-26-2011, 07:06 PM
 
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Only in Venice were there black vs. Latino gang wars in the '70s. Mainly because the number of places with established Latino gangs where black gangs formed was pretty small.

Outside of Venice and a few places in the Valley, black vs. Latino gang violence began with the '92 riots.
I read in the gang archives that there was a white gang called the Venice White Boyz which died before the 2000s. Any info on that? Were there any beef between them and minority gangs?

It's also speculated that the black-Latino tension started from California prisons.
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Old 05-26-2011, 07:26 PM
 
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I read in the gang archives that there was a white gang called the Venice White Boyz which died before the 2000s. Any info on that? Were there any beef between them and minority gangs?


Venice Whiteboys were allied with V13. The only L.A. white gang to survive into the '80s when gangs got nastier. They got absorbed into V13 (which is not the only sureno gang which has non-Latino white members), but some of them wound up becoming part of the Suicidals. (The Suicidals today aren't really a gang, they're just a group of middle aged largely white guys who like to drink together and pretty harmless. In the '80s they were the craziest of the punk gangs along with Circle One from Huntington Park, mainly because they actually had real gang roots)

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It's also speculated that the black-Latino tension started from California prisons.
And the prison gang wars had been going on since the '70s. Outside of a few select areas it wasn't until the riots that they played out on the streets.
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Old 05-26-2011, 07:59 PM
 
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So Hami had a bad rep even back in the 60s? I don't think it's so terrible now. Hami has a lot of upper middle class Jewish kids (reflecting the neighborhood). And friends I knew in the arts program at Hami managed to do okay.
Hami was originally a "class segregated" school, back when the areas it covered were all white. It was intended to keep the working class white kids of the westside separate from their middle class and up equivalents. 45 years ago it was probably better than any LAUSD school is today, but it wasn't considered a place for kids who wanted to go to college - more like students who went there were expected to get blue collar jobs, and L.A. had A LOT of high paying blue collar jobs back then. Obviously, there were middle class kids who went there too (considering the neighborhood, as you said), but when it functioned as a school it wasn't about academics. In the late '60s due to some demographic changes in its area (Cadillac-Corning went from Jewish to black virtually overnight circa '67), there was A LOT of racial tension there, and the school "went bad" before any other westside school did. In the '70s and '80s it had a REALLY bad rep. Middle class and upper middle class black parents didn't want their kids going there, it wasn't just middle class white parents who didn't want their kids going there. A lot of the black kids who were bused to Uni came from middle class families in the area for Hami. It was a pretty rough school in the '70s/80s. And as with areas zoned for Fairfax High becoming empty of kids other than Orthodox Jews because of the school situation, the same occurred with the nicer areas zoned for Hami.

Considering that my parents moved from MV to WLA because of what was happening at Venice, they would've really freaked out if they'd been living in the Hami attendance area.
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Old 05-26-2011, 08:59 PM
 
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The whole city is class segregated these days. You can't dress like you're poor when you're in most of the Westside or parts of the Valley.

My old man said if you want to eat at a classy restaurant like in the Palisades, Beverly Hills or any high class neighborhood, you gotta have a suit on before going in.
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Hami was originally a "class segregated" school, back when the areas it covered were all white. It was intended to keep the working class white kids of the westside separate from their middle class and up equivalents. 45 years ago it was probably better than any LAUSD school is today, but it wasn't considered a place for kids who wanted to go to college - more like students who went there were expected to get blue collar jobs, and L.A. had A LOT of high paying blue collar jobs back then. Obviously, there were middle class kids who went there too (considering the neighborhood, as you said), but when it functioned as a school it wasn't about academics. In the late '60s due to some demographic changes in its area (Cadillac-Corning went from Jewish to black virtually overnight circa '67), there was A LOT of racial tension there, and the school "went bad" before any other westside school did. In the '70s and '80s it had a REALLY bad rep. Middle class and upper middle class black parents didn't want their kids going there, it wasn't just middle class white parents who didn't want their kids going there. A lot of the black kids who were bused to Uni came from middle class families in the area for Hami. It was a pretty rough school in the '70s/80s. And as with areas zoned for Fairfax High becoming empty of kids other than Orthodox Jews because of the school situation, the same occurred with the nicer areas zoned for Hami.

Considering that my parents moved from MV to WLA because of what was happening at Venice, they would've really freaked out if they'd been living in the Hami attendance area.
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Old 05-26-2011, 09:30 PM
 
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The whole city is class segregated these days. You can't dress like you're poor when you're in most of the Westside or parts of the Valley.

My old man said if you want to eat at a classy restaurant like in the Palisades, Beverly Hills or any high class neighborhood, you gotta have a suit on before going in.
L.A. is extremely classist but when it comes to dress you could not be more wrong.

L.A. is not Mexico City where that's common. Your old man was wrong. The Palisades being a beach community is particularly immune from that sort of thing, all the beach cities have a casual type culture.

That is not normal for Beverly Hills either. The only restaurants which that is true of for the most part are restaurants which have high level organized crime connections, like the old mob/Rat Pack hangouts (all but one of which are gone) or their Russian, Chinese, Korean, etc. equivalents.

Many celebrities and very wealthy people dress down deliberately so as not to draw attention. If suits were the norm for L.A. those restaurants would have to turn all of those people away which is the last thing they'd want.
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Old 05-26-2011, 09:37 PM
 
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The whole city is class segregated these days. You can't dress like you're poor when you're in most of the Westside or parts of the Valley.

My old man said if you want to eat at a classy restaurant like in the Palisades, Beverly Hills or any high class neighborhood, you gotta have a suit on before going in.
Your old man is very much incorrect. LA is filled with "millionaires in baseball caps." Some of the wealthiest, most powerful people in the city dress like their homeless (indeed, a big movie producer I knew was often mistaken on his street for a bum).

In Santa Monica and Palisades you can get into almost every restaurant in very casual clothes. T-shirt and shorts and sandals even.

In Beverly Hills and Hollywood there may be some dress codes enforced, but never formal attire. Even then a lot of places have relaxed wear.

A common "Hollywood" outfit to a fancy restaurant is a black t-shirt, a suit, jeans, tennis shoes.
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Old 05-26-2011, 09:41 PM
 
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L.A. is extremely classist but when it comes to dress you could not be more wrong.

L.A. is not Mexico City where that's common. Your old man was wrong. The Palisades being a beach community is particularly immune from that sort of thing, all the beach cities have a casual type culture.

That is not normal for Beverly Hills either. The only restaurants which that is true of for the most part are restaurants which have high level organized crime connections, like the old mob/Rat Pack hangouts (all but one of which are gone) or their Russian, Chinese, Korean, etc. equivalents.

Many celebrities and very wealthy people dress down deliberately so as not to draw attention. If suits were the norm for L.A. those restaurants would have to turn all of those people away which is the last thing they'd want.
You know where most of these restaurants are like that?

I'm aware that LA residents wore suits at restaurants, clubs and other establishments during the pre-1960s, am I right?
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Old 05-26-2011, 10:03 PM
 
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You know where most of these restaurants are like that?

I'm aware that LA residents wore suits at restaurants, clubs and other establishments during the pre-1960s, am I right?
You are correct about that era, because that was normal in America as a whole back then.
However L.A. is not Mexico City, where that is still common.
The irony about people who complain about "L.A. turning into Mexico City" is that if that were the case the standard of dress would be much, much higher than it is.
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Old 05-26-2011, 10:11 PM
 
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Your old man is very much incorrect. LA is filled with "millionaires in baseball caps." Some of the wealthiest, most powerful people in the city dress like their homeless (indeed, a big movie producer I knew was often mistaken on his street for a bum).

In Santa Monica and Palisades you can get into almost every restaurant in very casual clothes. T-shirt and shorts and sandals even.

In Beverly Hills and Hollywood there may be some dress codes enforced, but never formal attire. Even then a lot of places have relaxed wear.

A common "Hollywood" outfit to a fancy restaurant is a black t-shirt, a suit, jeans, tennis shoes.
Correct.

Was the producer Joe Eszterhas? I saw him in a now defunct Brentwood bookstore once. The owner thought he was homeless as he looked (and smelled) the part perfectly. He was about to call the cops when he noticed that Eszterhas was buying $1000 worth of books on his credit card thinking it was stolen, but when Eszterhas showed his ID (and then left in a chauffered limo) the owner knew very well that it was him.
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Old 05-27-2011, 01:12 AM
 
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^It wasn't, but might as well have been.

If you see an old bummy looking guy at your local deli i.e. Nate N Als or Izzys, he's likely to be someone very rich and accomplished. but he doesn't shave, wears, sweats and oversized sweatshirts, sits in the corner alone eyeing everyone creepily.
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