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Old 06-24-2011, 01:35 AM
 
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If you look at your local history on TV or books, there tons of information about the Los Angeles Police Department during its most brutal moments.

Do you think the LAPD was more brutal during the era of William Parker or Daryl Gates?
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Old 06-24-2011, 08:56 AM
 
Location: SoCal - Sherman Oaks & Woodland Hills
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LAPD was never "brutal towards its residents". You "bruthas" always come on here with same kind of negative crap. The LAPD used appropriate methods to deal with the idiots they had to deal with. I dont think it would be appropriate (or safe) to approach a 1964 Chevrolet Impala on hydrolics with 5 black dudes wearing golf caps and locs while driving around with all windows down at 11:00pm with loud music blasting the same way they wold approach a BMW with 5 asian girls. The choke hold, battering ram, etc. were appropriate devices and methods to deal with the idiots of the day.
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Old 06-24-2011, 09:32 AM
 
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I still think the LAPD is brutal toward residents. I moved here after living in several other major cities. SoCal law enforcement is a league of their own. I see them act as cop, judge, and jury like they would never make a mistake. I've seen them scream and rant at elderly citizens. I've seen them itch for a confrontation with some wealthy folks in the Valley just so they can pull their baton.

You ask them a question, they yell. This prompts you to yell back, which thereby "gives them the right" to get heavy with you.

From what I have read, it was way worse in the Parker years. They were told to bang heads. Obviouisly today is much better than under Gates as well.

The above poster is all tough law and order until it is his/her daughter/son that receives the backhand of the LAPD and him/her will be the first one to sue to collect the payday.
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Old 06-24-2011, 10:26 AM
 
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Hard to say really. During Chief Parker's time, there was no camcorders and an aggressive media. You hear stories about the old days of suspect beatings, planting evidence, etc., but that's all they are, stories. During Chief Gates' time you could actually witness police beatings thanks to camcorders everywhere and stories of police corruption and misgivings were routine reporting in legitimate publications like the LA Times.
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Old 06-24-2011, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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Brutal or not brutal, I still feel better when I see a cop around.
Brutal or not brutal, I wouldn't mind having a cop (and/or a fireman) as a next door neighbor.
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Old 06-24-2011, 02:00 PM
 
Location: Armsanta Sorad
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LAPD was never "brutal towards its residents". You "bruthas" always come on here with same kind of negative crap. The LAPD used appropriate methods to deal with the idiots they had to deal with. I dont think it would be appropriate (or safe) to approach a 1964 Chevrolet Impala on hydrolics with 5 black dudes wearing golf caps and locs while driving around with all windows down at 11:00pm with loud music blasting the same way they wold approach a BMW with 5 asian girls. The choke hold, battering ram, etc. were appropriate devices and methods to deal with the idiots of the day.
Can't you be a moron somewhere else?

This is not a race issue. The LAPD could be harsh towards anyone regardless of race. I can't say they were brutal, but they used rough tactics!

If anything, you're the one pulling the race card just like in any other thread posted by me.

Another thing, I like doing research on the Los Angeles Police Department because I'm a history nut!

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Old 06-24-2011, 02:00 PM
 
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Hard to say really. During Chief Parker's time, there was no camcorders and an aggressive media. You hear stories about the old days of suspect beatings, planting evidence, etc., but that's all they are, stories. During Chief Gates' time you could actually witness police beatings thanks to camcorders everywhere and stories of police corruption and misgivings were routine reporting in legitimate publications like the LA Times.
The L.A. Times was essentially a publicity organ for the LAPD and specifically for Parker when he was chief, and berated anyone who objected to his mispolicing policies and the department's general corruption and brutality as either a communist or tied to the mob. Parker knew how to work the media and used the media to make his reputation and that of the department better. Gates was constantly at war with the media and thus didn't have the same advantages in controlling the narrative that his mentor Parker had. In reality, the level of brutality and violence was about the same. The philosophy of policing was the same.

That said, although the LAPD was a thoroughly rotten department for decades, wasn't truly cleaned up until Bratton became chief, and although some issues remain, even in its worst days there have always been some good officers on the force.
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Old 06-24-2011, 02:08 PM
 
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Yeah, it seems to have gotten better since Bratton was chief. Go figure eh, it took a police chief from New York to clean up the LAPD
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Old 06-24-2011, 02:10 PM
 
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Brutal or not brutal, I still feel better when I see a cop around.
Brutal or not brutal, I wouldn't mind having a cop (and/or a fireman) as a next door neighbor.
All the more reason why the California state law forbidding cities from mandating that police live within city limits should be repealed. It would further damage the Simi Valley real estate market but the costs would be worth it. Said law, according to an article I read in the SF Chronicle, arose from allegations that such laws discriminated against minorities who wanted to join the San Francisco Police Department. (In L.A. this would not have been as much of an issue). It was one of the worst laws the ACLU ever supported. While it would be difficult for very expensive cities like Santa Monica, Beverly Hills, Malibu, the South Bay beach cities, or South Pasadena to require cops to live within city limits, it would be feasible in Los Angeles. If the cops live in the community they are more motivated to keep it safe and to have ties within the community. In addition, more cops living in the community make it a better community overall.

Parker favored a small police force without ties to the community. Thus L.A. has historically been an underpoliced city which is the root of LAPD brutality and violence. More cops on the street means less of a siege mentality amongst police and more ties between cops and the community, factors which discourage brutality and violence. While the LAPD's numbers have been boosted in the 2000s, the city's budget problems have caused the gains to be somewhat reversed.
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Old 06-24-2011, 02:28 PM
 
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Yeah, it seems to have gotten better since Bratton was chief. Go figure eh, it took a police chief from New York to clean up the LAPD
There's nothing surprising about this at all. The NYPD is a much better department.
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