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Old 12-25-2011, 07:14 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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The Fares could be lower along the NEC , if Congress would allow them to be....they don't because there afraid Amtrak will destroy the Airliner Industry in this region. Which is what is happening , Amtrak now carries 60% of the travel market along the NEC ever since Amtrak lower advanced booked trains by 70% in some cases. People have no choice but to drive , given the opportunity to take the train or bus they take it....which is what happens in this region.
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Old 12-28-2011, 11:19 PM
 
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I am probably in the minority, but I welcome the HSR. Remember, airline industry is rapidly consolidating and it is on its way to becoming and oligopoly. The prices will almost always be set in collusion going forward. I need to fly from LA to PHX tomorrow for an urgent need and just googled the prices. It is the exactly the same (~ $350 round trip) for ALL airlines. I can't afford it. But also I just don't feel like driving 6+ hours during the day and waste my entire day on the road, but I have to do it. An HSR would have been an ideal solution. I understand the public funding concerns, but we have to remember all forms of transportation are already heavily subsidized (e.g., air traffic control and airports)
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Old 12-28-2011, 11:42 PM
 
Location: LBC
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I am probably in the minority, but I welcome the HSR. Remember, airline industry is rapidly consolidating and it is on its way to becoming and oligopoly. The prices will almost always be set in collusion going forward. I need to fly from LA to PHX tomorrow for an urgent need and just googled the prices. It is the exactly the same (~ $350 round trip) for ALL airlines. I can't afford it. But also I just don't feel like driving 6+ hours during the day and waste my entire day on the road, but I have to do it. An HSR would have been an ideal solution. I understand the public funding concerns, but we have to remember all forms of transportation are already heavily subsidized (e.g., air traffic control and airports)
Exactly. The cost of not building HSR is not nothing. But the ideological opposition to this project simply cannot come to grips with this. We continue to subsidize highways and airports with hundreds of billions of tax dollars, yet these same folks remain silent. But watch the squishy middle swing back in favor of HSR once once gas tops $4.00 pr gallon. Again. For good.
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Old 12-28-2011, 11:47 PM
 
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Where does all the gas tax money go? I'm sure not seeing it in the roads.
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Old 12-29-2011, 05:57 PM
 
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Exactly. The cost of not building HSR is not nothing. But the ideological opposition to this project simply cannot come to grips with this. We continue to subsidize highways and airports with hundreds of billions of tax dollars, yet these same folks remain silent. But watch the squishy middle swing back in favor of HSR once once gas tops $4.00 pr gallon. Again. For good.
The opposition is not "ideological" - it's LOGICAL.

It's called, the business model did not work as advertised. It's not about ideology. In fact, at this point, those clinging to it ... AS CURRENTLY CONCEIVED - are the true ideologues.

Maybe someone brilliant will come up with a real good plan for intercity rail here. In the meantime, there are a boatload of transit projects within the metro areas in need of URGENT ATTENTION.
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