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Old 12-18-2011, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Waterloo, Ontario
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Hi, I've been trying to follow what is going on with the California HSR plan and recently received an article from metro magazine, to which I subscribe. According to what it says, the HSR plan looks very difficult to carry out as it will take twice the amount of money and time than originally anticipated. What's makes the problem worse is that nearly 60% of the people polled said that they would rather have the HSR plan reconsidered. Why are the people of California against this plan? Is it just because they can't afford such an expensive project? I don't get the chance to hear opinions from people living in California so am looking forward to your opinion.The link to the article:
http://www.metro-magazine.com/Blog/Transit-Dispatches/Story/2011/12/BRT-sees-success-while-rail-suffers-assault.aspx?ref=TransitDispatches (broken link) click on "HSR is dead in America..."

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Old 12-18-2011, 10:51 AM
 
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The fools who voted for this thing actually believed it would cost what the backers said it would. Now that they're finding out it'll cost several times that, and it'll be decades before it'll connect any place they'd want to go, they're reconsidering their vote.

I don't know how it is in Canada, but here when the government proposes to build something for X dollars in Y years, you really need to at least double those numbers before you decide whether or not to support it. In this case, its more like triple.

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Old 12-18-2011, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
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Shall we simply continue with the present gridlock instead? Keeping costs of HSR in check is certainly fine and appropriate, but totally ditching it with no better alternative does nothing to improve our depressing transportation system.
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Old 12-18-2011, 09:10 PM
 
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What does HSR do for local gridlock?

We already have a functioning system for quickly getting between LA/OC/SD and SF/SJ/Oak/Sac. Sorry, but Bakersfield isn't interesting enough to spend billions on a train to.
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Old 12-18-2011, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
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We already have a functioning system for quickly getting between LA/OC/SD and SF/SJ/Oak/Sac.
We do?
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Old 12-18-2011, 09:30 PM
 
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We do?
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Old 12-18-2011, 09:37 PM
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Tourists and tourism industry can freely choose to travel w/o taxpayer subsidies

Business travelers btwn SV and LA can travel via air on flts paid for by their employers...and employers pass those costs on to any customers (and many smart employers make their workers work online vs internal workers/known external custs to avoid unnecessary, costly travel)

Not clear what is relevance of some silly passgr train when plenty of freight trains and FDX, UPS, etc exist to efficiently move relevant stuff around US

Reality is commute drives for CA's biggest taxpayers, who live/work in either PaloAlto or BH, entail some of shortest commutes in world....and many of these guys increasingly work online, so "rush hr" drives are a Luddite phenom for Eastern US or other 3rdWorld towns that claim some relevance of trains...
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Old 12-18-2011, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
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One would imagine there would be more places to stop at, experience, and spend money in on ground transport, rather than passing it all up using a method of travel that seems to be getting more scarce and expensive every year. Air travel isn't nearly as enjoyable as it used to be, and just continually falling prey to monopolization.

Besides, you can't haul much without great expense via airlines.
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Old 12-18-2011, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
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Not clear what is relevance of some silly passgr train
Driven from Bay Area to L.A. much?
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Old 12-18-2011, 10:23 PM
 
Location: RSM
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One would imagine there would be more places to stop at, experience, and spend money in on ground transport, rather than passing it all up using a method of travel that seems to be getting more scarce and expensive every year. Air travel isn't nearly as enjoyable as it used to be, and just continually falling prey to monopolization.

Besides, you can't haul much without great expense via airlines.
Err, the point of a high speed rail isn't added stops, it's minimal stops. Otherwise, you'd have a commuter rail, or worse, Amtrak, which loses billions a year.
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