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Old 12-30-2011, 01:15 AM
 
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Obv not the cause as the LAUSD school boards presiding over the majority of the decline were comprised mostly of Caucasians
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Old 12-30-2011, 09:37 AM
 
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I do agree that 13 did not help local students, I did not know that per pupil
spending was that much higher- but I still see it as only marginally better. Our state is ranked 47th in per pupil dollars. I also agree that school performance is not only related to money-- lots of intertwined factors go into it. But, our state had a winning recipe for public education all the way through the UC system prior to centralizing the education budgets via property tax 'reform'. My pov has been shaped by educating my kids in other states where there wasn't so much control of curriculum and dollars. I hate to see the threat of pink slips to teachers go out yearly and then having to wait to see what the state legislature comes up with to know how many will get fired each year.
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Old 12-30-2011, 09:43 AM
 
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Where have all the white people gone?
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Old 12-30-2011, 10:08 AM
 
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up north, or out east I guess
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Old 12-30-2011, 12:53 PM
 
Location: The Big Apple and Shytown and Miami and Dallas and Milwalkie and St Paul-Mineopolis n DCMV n WestBay
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A large majority of the students who attend LAUSD schools tend to be from families with limited education and blue-collar jobs. You can't compare LAUSD to the school districts like South Pasadena, San Marino, Arcadia, Burbank, LaCanada, Irvine, or other places. People with money and education will move to better school districts and better neighborhoods thus producing students who are probably college bound.

I graduated from a LAUSD high school in the 90s and 50% of 500 people of my senior class graduating. While that is a bad statistic, many of my classmates went on to top colleges like Ivy League schools, top east coast private schools, and top public CA schools like UCLA, CAL, UCSD, etc. They are now engineers, scientists, teachers, lawyers and other professionals. Overall, while LAUSD schools underperform, it also creates some individuals who do excel.

I don't know about the bus situation, or the school board. What I do know is that they need to fire some teachers who are terrible at their profession. They bring neither excitement nor value to education. I had a few teachers who constantly gave tedious tests, made us watched random Hollywood movies, spent 15 minutes of a 50 minute class doing nothing, or yelled at students all the time and dumb them down.
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Old 12-30-2011, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Earth
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The above is not correct.

LAUSD schools started declining hard a couple decades ago.

I used to watch the school board meetings(it was on public access tv) when "Hurricane" Jackie Goldberg was the board president. Considering I was quite young at the time, clearly I have a screw loose Anyway, I became entralled because the topics and policies discussed were so over the top ridiculous.

I'm very sure that the problems started prior to this, but the meetings I used to watch were the epitomy of social engineering...basically the tenor was one of "well if the kids aren't being taught xyz at home, we've gotta do it".

I've actually received hate pm's here on CD in the past for posting that LAUSD ought not be involved in social engineering and ought to instead focus on the three R's. But indeed that is what would turn LAUSD around. Look, LAUSD is always going to lag a bit due to the very large numbers of ESL students. But LAUSD should not be nearly as far behind as it is. The way to fix it is:

-Stop busing.
-Cut the administrative budget immediately. Break up LAUSD into smaller subdistricts if that will help cut costs and/or make things more efficient.
-Make the charter school process as simple as possible.
-Develop and maintain a minimum school track for graduation and one for graduation with emphasis on meeting UC/Cal State entrance requirements.
-Emphasize Math/English/Science/Economics as a core ciriculumn and de-emphasis social studies/humanities.
Or just abolish LAUSD period and have those smaller districts replace it. And abolish the comprehensive (which was essentially designed for a US born white middle class population and is no longer relevant to today's America).

Otherwise I agree with what you say.

LAUSD's decline was a result of the double-whammy of busing and Prop 13 occurring about the same time, as well as a very extreme level of corruption that would make a Chicago politician blush. That's why I feel it cannot be reformed without being broken up.
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Old 01-01-2012, 06:57 PM
 
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There is one simple cause for decline: corruption. The district is run by white chalk criminals not educators. There is no over site and no accountability. Most of the jobs in these offices are unnecessary. The exploitation of poor minority students is typified by the present horror of Belmont HS , see the full disclosure episodes on this travesty, watch a few YouTube airings of board meetings and read Moderator cut: link removed you'll remove your kid from LAUSD school when you finish and thank me for showing the way.
An LAUSD teacher and whistleblower.

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Old 01-01-2012, 07:27 PM
 
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Hordes of Illegal aliens and their Anchor Babies.

Enforce the immigration laws we already HAVE.

And save millions on infrastructure, ESL classes, free lunches and bilingual forms.
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Old 01-02-2012, 11:19 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles, Ca
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I went to LAUSD in the 80's and 90's.

The elementary school I went to was reasonable. This was in the "good old days" when you had bake sales, halloween parties, fun back to the school nights. Haven't those things been banned by now, lol. Don't they ban cupcakes now in some elementary schools?

The middle school and highschool I went to weren't that great. Now, they'd probably be in the bottom 1/3 of the country.

-Somebody didn't get the message 30 years ago, busing kills parental involvement. I think it almost intentially destroys schools. 2 parents working + being bused an hour away = slowly but surely, less and less involvement.

Vs a two parent household that lives 10 minutes away. It kills school spirit, community, pride. I don't think pride and LA schools go together very well.

You've had an unbelievable combination of busing, prop 13, changing demographics, the sprawl of LA, ESL/illegals, etc. Terrible management, its burst at the seams.
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Old 01-03-2012, 11:40 PM
 
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You've had an unbelievable combination of busing, prop 13, changing demographics, the sprawl of LA, ESL/illegals, etc. Terrible management, its burst at the seams.
It takes a lot of money to bus students... has to come from somewhere.
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