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Old 01-04-2012, 12:47 AM
 
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It takes a lot of money to bus students... has to come from somewhere.
That it does, it costs even more with Illegal aliens straining the system with their illegal children AND Anchor babies that shouldn't/wouldn't be here if the immigration laws were enforced.

Also the overcrowding it brings with multiple families in a single family residence. It's more people in general in a given area, more than the infrastructure can possibly handle.

Increasing the need for more assistance given to the whole scale importation of poverty from south of the border.

I attended school in LAUSD from K - 10th grade before moving out of the area.

The demographics has changed drastically in some areas since the 70's.

I wonder what the cost increase was for ESL classes, bi lingual forms, interpreters, bi lingual staff, subsidized lunches not to mention the enormous effort and time to transition non English speakers over to regular classes not to mention the time and effort involved.
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Old 01-04-2012, 02:21 AM
 
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It takes a lot of money to bus students... has to come from somewhere.
I think the whole thing is unsustainable. Are LAUSD schools really creating a future tax base to pay for the busing, ESL, lunches, bi lingual education. With a 30% drop out rate, and marginal test scores?

The demographics have changed almost 100% in some areas since the 70's...i.e. 80% white in the valley, now its 70% hispanic or foreign.
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Old 01-04-2012, 07:12 AM
 
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I think the whole thing is unsustainable. Are LAUSD schools really creating a future tax base to pay for the busing, ESL, lunches, bi lingual education. With a 30% drop out rate, and marginal test scores?

The demographics have changed almost 100% in some areas since the 70's...i.e. 80% white in the valley, now its 70% hispanic or foreign.
If demographic change is the reason, then how come schools in Whittier, West Covina, Covina, Lakewood, etc, all cities with similiar demographic changes, manage to keep themselves above average, even amoungst the latino majority students?
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Old 01-04-2012, 09:27 AM
 
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Hang on, are y'all really blaming school buses?
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Old 01-04-2012, 10:10 AM
 
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Hang on, are y'all really blaming school buses?
No, they are blaming the busing practices of LAUSD.
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Old 01-04-2012, 12:40 PM
 
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If demographic change is the reason, then how come schools in Whittier, West Covina, Covina, Lakewood, etc, all cities with similiar demographic changes, manage to keep themselves above average, even amoungst the latino majority students?
These areas have a higher general income and less transient population.

Rents are a lot cheaper and they have their own police dept. These areas are not as overcrowded and their services are not as overwhelmed and impacted as a good deal of LAUSD's territory.

The cities you mentioned are better than areas of Huntington Park, Bell, Cudahy and a great deal of central LA in general. Also the areas you mentioned have a Latino population that is not as heavy in new immigrants ( Legal and Illegal).
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Old 01-04-2012, 06:58 PM
 
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These areas have a higher general income and less transient population.

Rents are a lot cheaper and they have their own police dept. These areas are not as overcrowded and their services are not as overwhelmed and impacted as a good deal of LAUSD's territory.

The cities you mentioned are better than areas of Huntington Park, Bell, Cudahy and a great deal of central LA in general. Also the areas you mentioned have a Latino population that is not as heavy in new immigrants ( Legal and Illegal).
Bingo.

I was just trying to make a point. Several comments in the thread about the demise of white population being the cause.
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Old 01-04-2012, 07:48 PM
 
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These areas have a higher general income and less transient population.

Rents are a lot cheaper and they have their own police dept. These areas are not as overcrowded and their services are not as overwhelmed and impacted as a good deal of LAUSD's territory.

The cities you mentioned are better than areas of Huntington Park, Bell, Cudahy and a great deal of central LA in general. Also the areas you mentioned have a Latino population that is not as heavy in new immigrants ( Legal and Illegal).
So why are Long Beach's schools better than LAUSD's, considering that Long Beach has a lot of really bad neighborhoods and a lot of new immigrants?
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Old 01-04-2012, 07:50 PM
 
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I think the whole thing is unsustainable. Are LAUSD schools really creating a future tax base to pay for the busing, ESL, lunches, bi lingual education. With a 30% drop out rate, and marginal test scores?

The demographics have changed almost 100% in some areas since the 70's...i.e. 80% white in the valley, now its 70% hispanic or foreign.
For a long time, the assumption was that the future tax base wouldn't come from LAUSD but would come from somewhere else, so what LAUSD did was unimportant.

Now it is no longer obvious that L.A. will be an attractive magnet to people who would serve as a future tax base, and LAUSD is one thing that makes L.A. less attractive not only to those from elsewhere (of all backgrounds, including Hispanics) but also less attractive to people in L.A.

Like I've said before - break it up. The state has the power to dissolve it.
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Old 01-04-2012, 08:14 PM
 
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This is a great question.

I'd say it started with two things (at least in west la) then went on:

1. Tenure for teachers, especially the bad ones.
2. Busing
3. The School Voucher/Private School push by industry & upper income.
4. Society & its effects from a 2 parent full time working household
5. LAUSD taking on the role of rosetta stone, daycare, and Parent.
6. Population increase within the same resident areas. More facilities built.
7. Single mothers/fathers having kids that grandparents end up raising.
8. Religious groups advocating no family planning via contraceptives.
9. Society and its creation of longer hours, more work, less pay than #4.

In my opinion, a person looking for the "old days" small neighborhood school sends their kid to a private school. (some do it for ego but they always did).
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