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Old 01-03-2012, 07:44 PM
 
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As a German law-abiding resident in the States, I feel ashamed and embarrassed by what transpired in L.A....

I was confronted with the fires by several workers and customers today, and it was not pleasant to become defensive...I can not be held accountable for someone's activities, but their is always some "guilt by association".

Although the young man has not been found guilty by a court of law, it appears that the man has an anger-management problem and some other psychiatric disturbances, which are no excuse for his behavior or activities. This issue has also been discussed on various German websites, with the general opinion beeing to "lock him up and throw away the key"

I have posted below a link to the German Embassy in Los Angeles. It is my opinion, that if the man is found guilty and most likely has nowhere near the amount of money to compensate victims for his crime, that Germany should pick up this expense. Once the court has decided he is guilty, I will write a letter to the Embassy basically stating the fact, that neither the victims, nor their insurance company, should have to pay these damages.

I can tell you, that Germany is extremely sensitive to feelings of foreigners toward Germany. As a matter of fact, if you go to the website posted below, (Choose English or German) you will find references to Germany's improved image, which now stands the risk of being shattered. The cost of the damages, from what I could gather was around 3 million Dollars, is small change for Germany, relative to the negative publicity and repercussions it could derive from the events in L.A.

I have also an address to Angela Merkel and I will not hesitate writing her if the German embassy in L.A does not respond (favorably).

Anyone directly affected by the fires please send me an e-mail via my city-data.com. I will go out of my way to help you any way I can.


https://www.germany.info/Vertretung/usa/en/Kontakt.html
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Old 01-03-2012, 07:53 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles County, CA
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@ImaKraut - I don't care if the guy is a German or a Klingon - why does anyone make an issue of his nationality. I seriously doubt that this will become an international issue. The German Embassy, Angela Merkel...please! The German people are not responsible for one mans actions. Let's not blow this out of proportion.
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Old 01-03-2012, 08:02 PM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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As a German law-abiding resident in the States, I feel ashamed and embarrassed by what transpired in L.A....

I was confronted with the fires by several workers and customers today, and it was not pleasant to become defensive...I can not be held accountable for someone's activities, but their is always some "guilt by association".

Although the young man has not been found guilty by a court of law, it appears that the man has an anger-management problem and some other psychiatric disturbances, which are no excuse for his behavior or activities. This issue has also been discussed on various German websites, with the general opinion beeing to "lock him up and throw away the key"

I have posted below a link to the German Embassy in Los Angeles. It is my opinion, that if the man is found guilty and most likely has nowhere near the amount of money to compensate victims for his crime, that Germany should pick up this expense. Once the court has decided he is guilty, I will write a letter to the Embassy basically stating the fact, that neither the victims, nor their insurance company, should have to pay these damages.

I can tell you, that Germany is extremely sensitive to feelings of foreigners toward Germany. As a matter of fact, if you go to the website posted below, (Choose English or German) you will find references to Germany's improved image, which now stands the risk of being shattered. The cost of the damages, from what I could gather was around 3 million Dollars, is small change for Germany, relative to the negative publicity and repercussions it could derive from the events in L.A.

I have also an address to Angela Merkel and I will not hesitate writing her if the German embassy in L.A does not respond (favorably).

Anyone directly affected by the fires please send me an e-mail via my city-data.com. I will go out of my way to help you any way I can.


https://www.germany.info/Vertretung/usa/en/Kontakt.html
I'm sorry to hear that you were confronted by anyone in regards to this... I don't believe it's fair to judge anyone by their nationality (or race or anything else for that matter). When was the last time that a German national went around committing crimes like this in the US? I can't recall having heard any such thing... this was obviously an isolated incident. Insane is insane, no matter where in the world they took their first breath.
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Old 01-03-2012, 11:15 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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It's not a coincidence.. In Germany and Berlin to be more specific there are these types of arson all the time, burning cars and luxury cars..

Torching cars called common crime in Germany

It has been found that this criminal is German.. And this is a common crime in Germany to express anger..

Things like this should never be tolerated here.. He can do whatever he wants in his loosen home country..

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Old 01-03-2012, 11:39 PM
 
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
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Things like this should never be tolerated here
Meanwhile, we have masses of people promoting the idea that if every American had a gun, we'd all be safer. Howse about we express thanks for this guy's capture, and express proper outrage for and concentrate on what we have way more than Germany - gun violence?

Setting fires over New Year's killed cars; shooting people over NYE killed people.
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Old 01-04-2012, 01:10 AM
 
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Meanwhile, we have masses of people promoting the idea that if every American had a gun, we'd all be safer. Howse about we express thanks for this guy's capture, and express proper outrage for and concentrate on what we have way more than Germany - gun violence?

Setting fires over New Year's killed cars; shooting people over NYE killed people.
If he jumped into your bedroom at night, you'd pray you had a gun. Don't think this will never happen to you.
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Old 01-04-2012, 04:54 AM
 
Location: Guangzhou, China
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if he jumped into your bedroom at night, you'd pray you had a gun. Don't think this will never happen to you.
lol.
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Old 01-04-2012, 05:31 AM
 
Location: West Coast of Europe
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Common crime? I guess that is a bogus assessment. I lived in Germany for decades, I never saw any burning car or house or whatever.

Some left-wing radicals indeed set a couple of cars on fire on one or two specific days every year in order to protest the system or whatever, but if I remember correctly that ritual is pretty much limited to run-down parts of Hamburg and Berlin.

There is also a big difference between setting cars on fire and burning down homes. With cars one knows nobody gets hurt as one can see whether there is someone inside or not.

Arson has been linked to rape by some psychologists and criminologists. To me a burnt car is way better than a raped woman...

The arsonist's nationality has nothing to do with those arson cases in LA. I would be more worried about German businessmen roaming the US, you are more likely to find criminals among them than among normal tourists.

That guy now is simply a criminal regardless of his nationality, just like his mother seems to be. White trash according to what I have read...
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Old 01-04-2012, 06:58 AM
 
Location: So Ca
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I don't believe it's fair to judge anyone by their nationality (or race or anything else for that matter).
Exactly. This was obviously a deeply disturbed individual with a mother who sounds even more disturbed than he is. It'll be interesting to find out--if we ever do--why he chose fire as the means to express his rage.
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Old 01-04-2012, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Portland, Oregon
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Apparently, the Burkhart's are suspected of burning their house down in Germany and submitting an insurance claim the next day. The mother is wanted on 16 counts of fraud and three counts of embezzlement. Most are for phony real estate deals. Also, failure to pay for a breast enhancement procedure. According to the article these charges carry a minimum sentence of six months in prison and some defendants can receive suspended sentences. I'd like to know how the Burkhart's obtained visas to enter the U.S. in the first place. The Burkharts should be treated no differently that we would treat Islamic terrorists.
Official: Los Angeles arson suspect under investigation in Germany - CNN.com
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