Proposed Plastic Bag Ban (Riverside: living in, groceries, store)

[BayAreaHillbilly]

Originally Posted by EscapeCalifornia

Plastic grocery bags fit perfectly in my bathroom trash cans. Do they even sell plastic trash bags that small? I also use them to keep dirty baby clothes isolated in the bag. I suspect a lot of people are going to start hoarding and maybe swiping bags to stock up before they're gone. And taxing paper bags is just a money grab.

Oh, they do sell them that small. Costco, Target, Walmart, etc - they are loving these bag bans. As will the very plastic bag makers who make all the store bought, thick walls trash bags that biodegrade about 100 times slower than the film ones retail uses.

500 years from now, they will look at the 20th and at least early portion of the 21st centuries as a time of unprecedented mass hysteria, driven by a millenarian mish mash of Shamanism (e.g. Gaia worship), Dialectic Materialism, and plain old lack of critical thinking skills.

[genjy]

Originally Posted by BayAreaHillbilly

But hey, making a bunch of law abiding working people suffer through some nice Euro-self-flagelation, thaaaaaaaat's the ticket!

I told a somewhat well-traveled colleague about the ban, and the very first thing the person said was "That's how they do it in Europe," and then proceeded to give me examples of how so-and-so stores in Europe don't offer plastic bags.

It seems like the logic is that if it's done in Europe, then it's progressive and awesome.

[bigdumbgod]

Originally Posted by genjy

It seems like the logic is that if it's done in Europe, then it's progressive and awesome.

It also seems like standard redneck logic is to say if it's done in Europe, we must do the opposite. Then it's regressive and reactive, but at least it's 'merican. Freedom Fries, anybody?

[Chatteress]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

This is an environmental law. Did you believe the government was "making every decision for you" when the law was passed to equip automobiles with seatbelts? What about smoking bans on airplanes?

I can't believe that people care more about their own convenience than the health of the public. While we're at it, let's overturn the law requiring public education. Hey, they can't make every decision for us....

What about the studies that show e coli bacteria in the reusable bags? Uh ... I think we were safer with the plastic

[Chatteress]

Well ... I guess I'll just avoid doing any grocery shopping in the Cities of LA, Long Beach and Santa Monica ... What irks me about this whole thing is how this ban will affect those who don't have their own personal vehicle where they can bring their own reusable bags - mostly the poor. So I guess they will have to add the cost of the bags to their grocery bill then Sorry, but those who are more well-off will find this to be a mere inconvenience whereas those without cars will find this costly.

I won't even go into the bacteria and other issues of reusing the same bag over and over again.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Chatteress

What about the studies that show e coli bacteria in the reusable bags?

Can you provide a link to the study? That claim was a little far fetched (and probably issued by a plastic bag manufacturer).

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by EscapeCalifornia

How is this ban improving my health?

Improved water quality, for one, less litter in landfills, two....

[1200RT]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Improved water quality, for one, less litter in landfills, two....

Litter, by definition, does not exist in landfills.


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[rob3gdd]

Talk about government overreach. Idiots in city hall are incompetent at best. So what about the meat juice that spills into the bags? vegetables? Now i have to spend even more money to buy bags to pick up dog crap. Now i dont have the freedom to simply grab a bag to put something in it. Now the poor will have to pay extra when shopping and yes 10 cents per bag adds up when your poor or even middle class. What about when im shopping without a car. I use public buses and trains and now i have to pay 10 cents for each paper bag made from trees burned down in the forest.

[nickdahammer]

You sound like a (bad) lawyer, trying to sucker me into your big, bad, government agenda. Some decisions I support, some I don't. I suggest sticking to the merits/non-merits of the bag issue.

Originally Posted by EscapeCalifornia

Do you or do you not believe that government should make every decision for you?