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Where I live is also full of transplants and the natives in my area are very open-minded and sometimes, if not often, very well-traveled. No hate on the West from anyone I know when I lived out in LA.
The South certainly likes to talk about how they have their "family values" and how "polite" they are, yet they're the only region in the country with the highest divorce rates and that niceness isn't really nice if that means conforming to a church or whatever.
The niceness is a culture thing, it's not real or genuine. They'll be polite even if they're grinding their teeth and cussing you out in their head. And yes for all the family values they love to promote and lecture the country on, the divorce rate is super high in the South, especially Texas.
Texans really really hate California (with the slight exception of San Diego for some odd reason), but they really really really hate LA and San Francisco. I mean if you even mention you're visiting San Fran, the first thing they think of is "omg how can you go there it's where them gayz live". They just hate liberal cities.
I remember telling this older conservative woman that I thought Boston was the most all American town I've ever been to and she just replied, "really, but it's so liberal" ? I thought, what does it being liberal have to do with it not being the most All American town in the country?
Really, I just think there is a slight envy about CA.
That's how they deal with their envy, just get real mad and turn into babies over it.
I have noticed, a lot of people will think if a single guy expresses interest in moving to CA, it's seen as him potentially "coming out" or something like that. Finally gets to goto a place where his lifestyle is accepted, although I'd say Minneapolis across the board per capita has the most gay couples I've ever seen, and it's not limited to gay neighborhoods. I've never been to SF though.
I remember hearing in Chicago..."California is the land of fruits & nuts" a few too many times. I always told people I'd eventually like to move out there, never really cared to stay in Chicago long.
I forgot to say the same, but you said it, "midwesterners are star-struck by LA" more so than NY although they'll take that too. I posted this somewhere else recently, when someone was saying why does everyone hate LA...not the midwest.
So true, as a native Michigander, who has wandered far since than.
When I grew up, California was magical, and anyone who'd ever been there and had seen it, really impressed me.
Years later I moved to NYC, and I only developed the interest from other types of people I began spending time with. But, if not for those other people, it never really had the allure or mesmerizing effect that California had on me, growing up.
OK so Spikett comes on here like he/she's running home to mama and tells on us over at the Nashville forum like we're somehow ignorant bigots. I made possibly the most pointed reponse to Spikett's arrogant writings, and it could be that maybe I'm the one who seems to hate L.A. Since I lived in L.A. (Redondo Beach) in the '70's, and I loved every day of it, I will admit to the painful witness to what has happend to the region since that decade, including the slippage in the state graduation rate to 47th in the nation, and in the collapse of LAUSD standards. I also will admit though, that since my state, Texas, is benifiting greatly by an influx of many thousands of affluent fmailies migrating here from CA, I can live with that little consolation.
Spikett pipes up that the private school students in Nashville are not "open minded" because they are not "diverse" whatever that means. This is pathetic, to assume that just because these very young students have not somehow adopted an ideology, that there is something deficient in their thinking or attitude, an typical leftist attitude in itself, and excuse me but I find this offensively arrogant and I stated so.
Well see for yourself. Here is the gracious post from the contributor:
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Originally Posted by Spikett
I can't give you much info on any individual school but I can tell you this - generally speaking, private schools in Nashville are almost all white. These are the schools where the kids of the upper-middle class and upper classes go. Most of these folks are very conservative politically and tend to be religious as well (most everyone is conservative and religious, regardless of class - it's just the way it is here). If you are looking for open minded diversity I think you'll be disappointed.
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Pretty ridiculous. I graduated from MBA and to think that "open minded" is a descriptor to be denied to Nashville private school students is laughable, just considering the arrogance of it. To expect all or most kids to have adopted an ideology like the contributor's while in secondary or lower, brings guffaws. I know some parents are indoctrinating their kids these days for the culture war effort, but most are probably not. This is just a typical attempt to paint the locals as closed minded, just like the descriptors coming from "progressives" like "uncurious", or even worse, all the way to "stupid".
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Originally Posted by Spikett
I grew up here, moved to Los Angeles for 18 years, then back here for the past year. I'm not trying to be offensive but I find this part of the country to be populated, for the most part, by pretty conservative Christians - epecially the upper-middle classes that tend to send their kids to private school. Being here during an election year simply reinforced that belief. Things are very homogeous. Yes, there are different races, religions, etc... but they are pretty segregated (see the thread by the woman looking for a diverse, non-demoniational church in this forum for an example). The OP here is from Los Angeles - and has stated above that she is really suprised at the dominance of religion in this area. It might not seem that way to you - but to someone coming from an area of real diversity, the culture shock is pretty real.
OK sorry but I think the following is pretty accurate regarding the cultural degradation in "progress" in California and L.A. in particular. Keep in mind that hundreds of California families are moving to the Nashville region for the superb family-raising environment, and not the reverse, so it seems that my opinions get some backing:
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And I lived in L.A. for 3 years, in the late '70's maybe before it was so diverse. Now that it is so diverse and all that, the future Aztlan has the 47th graduation rate out of the 50 states. Does the "diversity" you talk about include a more diverse secondary educational outcome? Has the collapse of the LAUSD functionality been an advantage of the "diversity" in addition to exorbitant taxation and transfer payments? I'm now in Texas, which, politically and culturally is very similar l to TN. And Forbes just came out with the list of the top 10 fastest growing metros in the nation, see below link. Texas has 3 of the top 4 and 4 out of the top 10, and I would guess almost half of the populaton growth here is Caifornians escaping the benefits of "diversity". I know this is hard for people of a certain ideology to grasp, but TN and TX are two states which are functioning at a solid level, fiscally. States like CA and IL are not. America's Fastest-Growing Cities - Daniel Fisher Full Disclosure - Forbes
OK I'm going to state something here that may seem a little odd, but to think that a civilization existing without a spiritual foundation is something normal I believe is a big error. Every civilization throughout history has required a profound spark of divine purpose at its founding including ours. The South, the Midwest and huge sections of the West are regions of the country that manifest this sense of purpose, and at this stage of my life I have come around to this realization of purpose. And as much as I loved living in SoCal in the 70's, I was living a selfish debauched existence, always on the lookout for sexual opportunity, and I paid a huge price. Civilizations are not sustained this way and to paint as somehow odd or shocking that huge regions of the country don't live the existence of SoCal is more than a little naive. Don't mean to sound preachy but the opinion is offered.
The niceness is a culture thing, it's not real or genuine. They'll be polite even if they're grinding their teeth and cussing you out in their head. And yes for all the family values they love to promote and lecture the country on, the divorce rate is super high in the South, especially Texas.
Texans really really hate California (with the slight exception of San Diego for some odd reason), but they really really really hate LA and San Francisco. I mean if you even mention you're visiting San Fran, the first thing they think of is "omg how can you go there it's where them gayz live". They just hate liberal cities.
I remember telling this older conservative woman that I thought Boston was the most all American town I've ever been to and she just replied, "really, but it's so liberal" ? I thought, what does it being liberal have to do with it not being the most All American town in the country?
Really, I just think there is a slight envy about CA.
It's not that I think the South is backwards, there are good qualities about the region, but its quite contradicting when they push their "values" on you and divorce isn't really a good thing if you want to promote these so-called "family values".
What constitutes as an all-American town? This is such a diverse country in terms of people, geography, topography, etc.
And even though I've moved back to the East coast from the West, I still would consider LA/CA the top places I'd ever live in the US. I will still come back for visits.
The niceness is a culture thing, it's not real or genuine. They'll be polite even if they're grinding their teeth and cussing you out in their head. And yes for all the family values they love to promote and lecture the country on, the divorce rate is super high in the South, especially Texas.
Texans really really hate California (with the slight exception of San Diego for some odd reason), but they really really really hate LA and San Francisco. I mean if you even mention you're visiting San Fran, the first thing they think of is "omg how can you go there it's where them gayz live". They just hate liberal cities.
I remember telling this older conservative woman that I thought Boston was the most all American town I've ever been to and she just replied, "really, but it's so liberal" ? I thought, what does it being liberal have to do with it not being the most All American town in the country?
Really, I just think there is a slight envy about CA.
Its more conservative than other California cities, and it is very family-tourist oriented.
That's how they deal with their envy, just get real mad and turn into babies over it.
I have noticed, a lot of people will think if a single guy expresses interest in moving to CA, it's seen as him potentially "coming out" or something like that. Finally gets to goto a place where his lifestyle is accepted, although I'd say Minneapolis across the board per capita has the most gay couples I've ever seen, and it's not limited to gay neighborhoods. I've never been to SF though.
I remember hearing in Chicago..."California is the land of fruits & nuts" a few too many times. I always told people I'd eventually like to move out there, never really cared to stay in Chicago long.
Yes, you definitely hear the "fruits and nuts" comment about California in Chicago.
Your first comment is also somewhat true about a single guy moving to California. Although for me, they knew it was more about the climate and geography.
But I did make some comments that I wanted to experience "the real second city".
Most of the reactions I got in the Chicago area, was about having to drive everywhere in LA (as well as people being fake, etc.). Thats the weird thing about the Chicago suburbs: They think that because the central city has outstanding public transportation, them living in the suburbs where they drive everywhere makes it OK.
Oh, and I got a couple light hearted jokes about the porn industry.
It's not that I think the South is backwards, there are good qualities about the region, but its quite contradicting when they push their "values" on you and divorce isn't really a good thing if you want to promote these so-called "family values".
What constitutes as an all-American town? This is such a diverse country in terms of people, geography, topography, etc.
And even though I've moved back to the East coast from the West, I still would consider LA/CA the top places I'd ever live in the US. I will still come back for visits.
Well I said that Boston had a lot of history and that it was such an American town in that it looks like a Thomas Kinkade painting. I mean you white picket fences, little milkshake and burger joints, Harvard, etc.
To drive the point home, when you're in Texas, you feel like you're in TX first, then the United States. I saw more Texas flags than the American one. In Mass. I rarely if ever saw the State flag. To this day I don't know what it looks like.
Instead of aggreeing with me or asking me why is it all "all American", she just blurted out that she couldn't even see it as American because it's "liberal", i.e. liberals aren't true Americans.
But there is some weird special hatred for Los Angeles a lot of Texans have, more so than if you mention NYC.
I recently ventured into the Houston forum and man they were outright rude. I was complementing them on their growth and development in the inner city and some suburban moms snapped at me saying how much diversity they have, and how they have both burb living and city living. Others were just downright sarcastic and rude. I was shocked.
I am still surprised that in the LA forum no one is a major grammar nazi or an insecure sardonic pric(K) that has to get a word in on CD. For the most part Houston has completely lost it's southern hospitality label.
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