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Old 12-07-2007, 09:58 PM
 
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Religion is always an interesting topic.

I grew up Catholic, went to Catholic school through elementary, and never did well in religion class because I always questioned the Bible.

If Adam and Even were the first two people, and then they had two sons, how did the rest of us get here? Incest must have been acceptable in the beginning, so why isn't it now?

And since Adam and Eve are always depicted as white people in the Bible, how in the world do we have all other races and ethnicities? It isn't a possibility if you believe in Adam and Eve.

Most people also believe if you don't believe in God you're going to Hell. Really? So what you're saying is that God, who supposedly created this incredibly fantastic universe we live in is such a petty being that by simply not believing in him he is going to condemn you to eternal damnation?

And what about sin? If God made us, he also made us fallible. Therefore, if he condemns us for being fallible, is it not that he is condemning his own creation? How does that make sense?

I don't believe in a God like a lot of people do. Perhaps there is a higher being that created all that is. But honestly, I don't care if there is or not.

I think the Bible was simply a way for the leaders of the times to guide the masses, as well as to explain the unexplainable. Think of what little was known about the world and the universe when the Bible was written. Everything still revolved around the Earth, and the Earth was still flat, and they still drilled holes in people's heads when they had a headache, etc.

And why cannot the Bible and science co-exist? Why does the Bible have to be a literal translation? Why could it not be that Adam and Eve were in fact amoeba that developed into the amazing human beings we are today? In my eyes that is even more beautiful than believing that Adam and Eve just appeared out of nowhere, and knew how to talk, and write, and build cities, and procreate and raise healthy children, etc.

And why cannot the 7 days in which God created the universe have actually been billions of years? Because it's not in the Bible? Are you serious? Because thousands of years ago, when people were totally ignorant of the universe and how it works, because they said something happened a certain way, and wrote it down, somehow it's the infallible truth? Come on, folks!

Having faith is fine, but in my view blind faith is a recipe for disaster. For example, through history, there have been more people killed in religious wars than all other wars combined. How is that preaching the word of the Lord? And yes, respected religious leaders were involved in those wars.

It seems to me that the meaning of the Bible changes with the ages. For instance, when the Bible was written women were property and had no rights. Should we go back to those times? "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife." No mention of husbands. Why is that?

I like your post it is interesting I do not agree with you.To me it is obvious that God exsists as well as Evil in this world as demonstrated by the murders in Omaha

Your questions my opinions

1.The first generations probably did commit incest.After a few dozen births the relationship between the people dwindled and incest was no longer necessary.I think its obvious incest was commited.

2 I have been told that God may have created the different races at the tower of babel when mankind apparently disobeyed God by not moving from one area of the world into the rest of it.God supernaturally created the races one example is that black people were created by the sin of one of noahs sons.He looked upon his father in the biblical story and laughed at him when he was drunk.God cursed him and ALL of his ancestors and said they would be oppressed for all time.Is their any group other than jews who have been more oppressed than black people.

3 Unless a person accepts jesus christ as their saviour you are going to Hell.It is your choice to accept forgivness or reject it.God did not condemn anyone you condemn yourself by refusal to accept Gods truth.If you choose not to believe according to the Bible you will suffer the second death which is hell.The simple way to avoid this is to ask Jesus to be your saviour and accept him free of charge.That sure beats the alternative.Adam created a rift in Gods plan when he made the choice to sin instead of following Gods plan.When we do things the way we want that is called freewill.God allows us to choose to accept his will and help or reject it.

4 Evolution is a stupid theory.Micro evolution is true that is there are small changes in species over time but Macro evolution is a complete lie.No bird has ever turned into a shark.Why are their no fossil records of these major changes.Why is it that our planet is the only one that is suitable for living things,why is it exactly the right distance from the sun in order to not freeze or burn up.The religion science has chosen is atheism.Scientists of faith are in great number but the community of atheism which is the religion of science drowns out what they have to say about creationism.

5 No where in the Bible does it say how old the earth is.The earth could be a few hundred million years old.Atheists need to say the earth is billions of years old in order for the theory of evolution timeline to add up.The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

6 Most wars are thought over things like land and natural resources.Some people who proclaim to know God may not really speak for him.The human condition of sin inside the hearts of men cause greed,lust,ruthlessness,these are the things that cause war.God did not tell Hitler to invade Poland or the Japs to attack pearl harbor.

7 The meaning of the bible never changes the interpretation of it may when people try to change it to suit their own purpose.If everyone followed the teachings of the bible we would have a level of prosperity never before seen.When a person follows christ you unlock the seeds of Gods blessing in your life.That means you will receive Gods favor in all that you do.Why would you not want health,wealth,and a ticket to paradise when your time on earth is through.Pick up the bible read it for yourself,I suggest you start in the first book of the new testament.Do not rely on others to tell you what it says,many of you have a bible collecting dust on a shelf.There is a reason it is the best selling book in history.You can read an enormous amount of the Bible by reading 2 chapters of a book a day.That takes about 10 minutes at the most.
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Old 12-07-2007, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Stockton, CA, USA
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You should read the new book "Day of Reckoning: How Hubris, Ideology, and Greed Are Tearing America Apart." I think you'll agree with it.
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Old 12-08-2007, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Las Flores, Orange County, CA
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I like your post it is interesting I do not agree with you.To me it is obvious that God exsists as well as Evil in this world as demonstrated by the murders in Omaha

Your questions my opinions

1.The first generations probably did commit incest.After a few dozen births the relationship between the people dwindled and incest was no longer necessary.I think its obvious incest was commited.

2 I have been told that God may have created the different races at the tower of babel when mankind apparently disobeyed God by not moving from one area of the world into the rest of it.God supernaturally created the races one example is that black people were created by the sin of one of noahs sons.He looked upon his father in the biblical story and laughed at him when he was drunk.God cursed him and ALL of his ancestors and said they would be oppressed for all time.Is their any group other than jews who have been more oppressed than black people.

3 Unless a person accepts jesus christ as their saviour you are going to Hell.It is your choice to accept forgivness or reject it.God did not condemn anyone you condemn yourself by refusal to accept Gods truth.If you choose not to believe according to the Bible you will suffer the second death which is hell.The simple way to avoid this is to ask Jesus to be your saviour and accept him free of charge.That sure beats the alternative.Adam created a rift in Gods plan when he made the choice to sin instead of following Gods plan.When we do things the way we want that is called freewill.God allows us to choose to accept his will and help or reject it.

4 Evolution is a stupid theory.Micro evolution is true that is there are small changes in species over time but Macro evolution is a complete lie.No bird has ever turned into a shark.Why are their no fossil records of these major changes.Why is it that our planet is the only one that is suitable for living things,why is it exactly the right distance from the sun in order to not freeze or burn up.The religion science has chosen is atheism.Scientists of faith are in great number but the community of atheism which is the religion of science drowns out what they have to say about creationism.

5 No where in the Bible does it say how old the earth is.The earth could be a few hundred million years old.Atheists need to say the earth is billions of years old in order for the theory of evolution timeline to add up.The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

6 Most wars are thought over things like land and natural resources.Some people who proclaim to know God may not really speak for him.The human condition of sin inside the hearts of men cause greed,lust,ruthlessness,these are the things that cause war.God did not tell Hitler to invade Poland or the Japs to attack pearl harbor.

7 The meaning of the bible never changes the interpretation of it may when people try to change it to suit their own purpose.If everyone followed the teachings of the bible we would have a level of prosperity never before seen.When a person follows christ you unlock the seeds of Gods blessing in your life.That means you will receive Gods favor in all that you do.Why would you not want health,wealth,and a ticket to paradise when your time on earth is through.Pick up the bible read it for yourself,I suggest you start in the first book of the new testament.Do not rely on others to tell you what it says,many of you have a bible collecting dust on a shelf.There is a reason it is the best selling book in history.You can read an enormous amount of the Bible by reading 2 chapters of a book a day.That takes about 10 minutes at the most.
I hope you get well someday.

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Old 12-08-2007, 08:55 AM
 
Location: La Mirada, CA
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Science and Religion can certainly co-exist. In fact, I think science can be a wonderful pathway to discovering the wonderful works of God. Check out a good book called "The Hidden Face of God" by Gerald Schroeder.... it's pretty heavy stuff, but a very convincing argument of how science actually proves the existance of God. Enjoy!
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Old 12-08-2007, 08:57 AM
 
Location: La Mirada, CA
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Doesn't make sense. Illogical. No basis. Irrelevant. Sounds like something said to children.
Peace be with you.
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Old 12-08-2007, 08:59 AM
 
Location: La Mirada, CA
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Why does one have to be a Christian to be a good, decent person who takes care of their kids, sends them to college, and does right by the society and the world?
I agree. There are plenty of good people who are not christian, and there are plenty of rotten people who claim to be christian. All humans are prone to sin, but we must not embrace our fallen humanity.
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Old 12-08-2007, 08:25 PM
 
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This thread is bull****.
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