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Old 12-16-2007, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Santa Barbara
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I have lived in both LA and Seattle. LA by far is much more religious and as there are many diversity of races and cultures here also along with them exists their religiousity handed down with their heritage or chosen later. I am Christian, but I love to see the garb and committment of those of other God fearing or Eastern faiths.

Southern Californians that are religious generally are pretty committed to their religions or their belief in their God or god. Seattle more hit and miss if they even believe at all in any 'mainstream defined' religion. In Seattle there is a lot of non main stream type 'religions'--goddess worshipers, witches, naturalists, self help, radical socialists/communists types, radical environmentalists . . . hard to categorize them as none of these people would define themselves as religious as none of their religions are a belief in a traditional God, nor do they attend a traditional type church. By the way I am not talking about main stream religious type believers that additionally believes in other things such as self help or that has environmental concerns or that loves and adores nature. Those that have lived in the Seattle area know exactly what I am talking about.

Also falling into this not defined generally as religious category (by some) but in a very different light from those listed above would be those that are Buddhists in Seattle as that too is another religion that may or may not be defined by her followers as religious, but also exists in Seattle. Some that believe however may say yes they would call their Buddhists practice and beliefs religious.

On the outskirts in certain areas of WA there is strong church attendance etc and strong belief--much more mainstream Christian. I attended Christian church weekly when I lived in Seattle, but it certainly was unusual and not the norm for most that I knew socially, personally, or at work. I know quite a few people that attend some sort of church in LA and many I did not meet at church but in another venue whether it be work, school, social organizations. Often times too there are great networking and learning gatherings that aim to bring together people in learning and enhancing, enriching their spiritual lives and also in bringing together those of similar work concentrations. LA really has some very rich things to offer for the religious. Holistically so.

When one compares and sees the 'religious' stats for a city such as Seattle and LA it all makes good sense and it certainly parallels my experience as well. We also have so many churches in a small area in LA, one will rarely see major backups (as mentioned by a previous poster), because there are a lot of choices even within a 10 mile radius of let's say which Catholic church one will go to on the westside. They have several choices in which and many attendance times too to choose from. I go on Saturday nights often to my church and it is packed!! When I go at any other time it is also packed. This may explain the lack of traffic backups etc. And that is just the Catholics, not other Christian, Jewish, or Muslim etc . . . My guess is we have a lot of venues and times in which to worship here in LA to spread some of this high attendance out over time and place.

I can see too if one is not into the whole religious thing, they may not even notice others participation at the levels I do. Some are and still don't. As there is no religious person I know in LA that wears their religion as a placard. If they dress the garb of that religion it is just seen as part of their heritage or cultural and I don't think it registers for most as a sign of their religiousity in the least. There is just so much diversity here. They are just part of the mosaic. I personally find it fascinating and quite beautiful.

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Old 12-16-2007, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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well... I think you guys are a lot more open, weather thats good or bad... not really.
You guys don't really have too much different behavior then the rest of the nation, and you can't clump the whole nation together as if you guy are the only different ones. I personally think we all have a certain rule of ethnics in common.
Its hard to say, SoCal is very diverse. So maybe they are more open racially, and opposed to Maine or Montana whom grow up in a almost total white only environment. but it attitude, i think they're in line with most of the nation the only one who aren't are the North Easterners who tend to strike me as rude... some are anyways, you can't generalize everything. As far as Diversity they are probably in Line with the Hawaiians and Big-Medium City Texans. The beach may play a role in relieving stress but that probably fades after a couple of years in SoCal, some Sand and Water can only ease the mind so much. Soon its not even a treat, especially if you don't have time to go see it unless it on the side of the road while on your way to work. They're are only so many ways people can act they're going to be butt heads and nice people all over the place. Its hard to generalize. You could probably find someone who acts like they're from LA from Siberia, not talk... language is a different thing...
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Old 12-17-2007, 12:13 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles, which as I understand was once upon a time ago part of the United States of America
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Are there any threads in this forum that don't mention diversity?
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Old 12-17-2007, 01:07 AM
 
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Are there any threads in this forum that don't mention diversity?
Yes, there are threads that don't mention diversity. Unfortunately though, when you talk about "LA", you are talking about a very diverse area. It's not a bad thing. It's just the way it is around here.
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Old 12-17-2007, 01:44 AM
 
Location: Santa Barbara
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lol. Probably not. You asked about culture shock when first moving here, which is a great question. I may add more later, but three things struck me. One is that comparatively (from where I came from) people walk around nearly naked. That freaked me out as I liked to wrap in little and big coats at all times of year. Even though I was in fantastic shape etc I always found coats and layers of clothes comforting and it still is odd to not be able to bring a blankie coat with me everywhere I go to cuddle in. I feel so exposed here. It is hard to explain. I miss the chill, it was so invigorating. All this heat and sun can depress me at times, especially if it gets out of the general westside temperate zone. I wear a lot of wraps instead as an alternative, even in the summer. I love now that I have adapted that one does not have to alter what they wear otherwise--leathers, high high heels, year round whites, any hair fashion known to man--none will generally be disturbed or ruined by weather. A big fun plus to this area.

The second problem I had is how fast and at times stupidly people drive on the freeways and surface streets. I was raised in a very snowy/icy state and learned to drive safely first and respectfully of others. The next state I lived in had a lot of rain, so safety and caution have always been paramount as I drive but I feel very unsafe and pressured when I drive here often and ironically there is little to no weather!

I believe people would rather kill someone then wait at a red light a few minutes longer or slow down on the freeway when it is wide open. Horrendous and disrespectful drivers with mass Meth addiction attitudes even when stone sober. Although I know a lot of people like that way of driving that live or moved here. I do not find this sort of driving in the least bit appealing or relaxing. If the freeway is wide open why not chill and put in some great tunes or whatever and enjoy the drive? Why power gas it and swerve all over the place just to do it and then race some other whack job and almost knock off the oldies and scaried little drivers in the right lane that are freaking out already? So this one cultural shock was paramount. I have adjusted I believe to everything but this.

The last? I noticed a lot of local people don't respond to nice and friendly folks until they see them around for awhile. Yet the longer one is here the less interested they have in being nice--lol. Actually I have met some really great people here, ironically most of them were born and raised here. It has been the transplants usually that are harder to develop long term relationships with for me anyway and in the end many of them move away. Oddly the longer I am here the harder it is to move away. I went through huge culture shock, but have adapted so well it is very odd being anywhere else even Northern California feels behind the times.

That is probably the biggest thing people should worry about if they adapt to this place after the huge culture shock, it may grow on them and they may find Southern California an expensive habit to break!

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Old 12-17-2007, 05:17 AM
 
Location: FULCI LIVES!!!(but not in Indiana)
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Wow, everyone is painting Southern California to be some utopia.

A lot of things I find to not be true, but that's just me.

I've generally been happy about my experiences outside of Los Angeles.
Las Cruces, NM
Washington D.C.
Phoenix-Tucson, AZ
St George, UT
West Virginia

Aside from D.C., everywhere I went I didn't feel rushed and like people cared enough to take time to help you.
I think what jades my opinion is that I live in a very heavy populated hispanic area(overall valley) and deal and see 80% hispanics throughout my day. Dealing with their culture and their ways where they don't do things as I see normal, really irritates me.
Maybe if I lived elsewhere I would feel a bit different, but I'm willing to bet my overall perception of So.Cal would remain the same.
Well the problem with "people caring and taking the time to help you" is that on the flip-side, they are always in your business too, even if you dont think they are, they are. Neighbors in small/medium towns are bored, but they dont have shopping or a beach to cure that boredom, they only have neighbors in which they are always watching.
Here in Northern Indiana our hispanic population has doubled since 1997. We are a city of about 60,000 and about 25,000 are hispanics, if not more by now. Many of them are from the L.A. area. They come here and usually they will buy a 5 bedroom house on 5 acres of land and split the mortgage payment 15 ways (if you know what I mean). Then they have the 5 acres to fill with cars that dont run.
I understand your aggrivation at their "ways." I really do, they look at you like your the oddball, but it's their lunch (which smells horrible in the microwave) that should be odd. That's one thing I guess SoCal and Indiana have in common....that's about it though.
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Old 12-17-2007, 05:30 AM
 
Location: FULCI LIVES!!!(but not in Indiana)
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lol. Probably not. You asked about culture shock when first moving here, which is a great question. I may add more later, but three things struck me. One is that comparatively (from where I came from) people walk around nearly naked. That freaked me out as I liked to wrap in little and big coats at all times of year. Even though I was in fantastic shape etc I always found coats and layers of clothes comforting and it still is odd to not be able to bring a blankie coat with me everywhere I go to cuddle in. I feel so exposed here. It is hard to explain. I miss the chill, it was so invigorating. All this heat and sun can depress me at times, especially if it gets out of the general westside temperate zone. I wear a lot of wraps instead as an alternative, even in the summer. I love now that I have adapted that one does not have to alter what they wear otherwise--leathers, high high heels, year round whites, any hair fashion known to man--none will generally be disturbed or ruined by weather. A big fun plus to this area.

The second problem I had is how fast and at times stupidly people drive on the freeways and surface streets. I was raised in a very snowy/icy state and learned to drive safely first and respectfully of others. The next state I lived in had a lot of rain, so safety and caution have always been paramount as I drive but I feel very unsafe and pressured when I drive here often and ironically there is little to no weather!

I believe people would rather kill someone then wait at a red light a few minutes longer or slow down on the freeway when it is wide open. Horrendous and disrespectful drivers with mass Meth addiction attitudes even when stone sober. Although I know a lot of people like that way of driving that live or moved here. I do not find this sort of driving in the least bit appealing or relaxing. If the freeway is wide open why not chill and put in some great tunes or whatever and enjoy the drive? Why power gas it and swerve all over the place just to do it and then race some other whack job and almost knock off the oldies and scaried little drivers in the right lane that are freaking out already? So this one cultural shock was paramount. I have adjusted I believe to everything but this.

The last? I noticed a lot of local people don't respond to nice and friendly folks until they see them around for awhile. Yet the longer one is here the less interested they have in being nice--lol. Actually I have met some really great people here, ironically most of them were born and raised here. It has been the transplants usually that are harder to develop long term relationships with for me anyway and in the end many of them move away. Oddly the longer I am here the harder it is to move away. I went through huge culture shock, but have adapted so well it is very odd being anywhere else even Northern California feels behind the times.

That is probably the biggest thing people should worry about if they adapt to this place after the huge culture shock, it may grow on them and they may find Southern California an expensive habit to break!
I agree for the most part, however, here in podunk Indiana it seems that the mass majority are colorblind when sitting at a stoplight. It turns green and even if your only 3-4 cars back you most likely WILL NOT make it through because the dummy at the front simply takes his/her time. They are inconsiderate and it's so boring here that I actually believe to them it's a form of entertainment to make others wait on them, to be at their mercy makes them feel good I guess. Hoosiers IMO are very rude, inconsiderate, shallow, narrow minded folks compared to the many other states I've been in. Dont believe that Indy 500 crap, nobody drives fast here.

About your last paragraph, werd. Everytime we come back here after being in SoCal for awhile we get depressed. My wife has to put the clothes/accesories she bought in L.A. back in the dresser drawer unless she wants every citizen in hickville staring or commenting. Flannel, Wranglers and an old pair of Walmart hiking boots baby, that's stylin here. Oh, and the cigarette, and the mullet. Only 2 more months of this crap!!!!!!!!! Yay for us!!
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Old 12-18-2007, 12:40 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles, which as I understand was once upon a time ago part of the United States of America
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Yet the longer one is here the less interested they have in being nice--lol.
I understand this very well. I've given up on trying to be polite to people, since most people in my opinion have very poor manners in Los Angeles. I'm polite when others are, but I'm not the first one anymore because I'm tired of it not being reciprocated.
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Old 12-18-2007, 08:45 AM
 
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Well, I am moving from Dallas in January and am excited. I come out to LA for my job frequently, and although not a local I feel like guest who has the house key. What I like about CA, especially LA, is the desire to be progressive. Hey it's difficult to be agile when you have 8mm+ people with varying needs and desires. However, I think the country looks to LA and CA for innovations dealing with energy, environment, healthcare, and poverty.

Coming from Dallas, you just don't get that. I lived in Boston from 97-02, and I saw the lack of motivation. Lots of talk, no action. Dallas, and Texas in general (excluding Austin) is full of rude drivers, surly customer service people, and hateful viewpoints. You hear the word "hate" alot. God help you if you are a woman, a child, or economically challenged because there isn't much sympathy here. And speaking of God, I saw in an earlier post that Dallas has 55% participation in church. Well, you would think everyone goes the way people talk. Again, lot of talk and no action. The city is full of pretense and $30,000 millionaires. Oh, and no stranger has ever helped me on the street or when I have been broken down on the freeway.

I don't need approval from my neighbors, or a friendly "hi ya'll" when I walk down the street. Sometimes I just want to walk down the street and enjoy the scenery and my solitude.

One thing that I would like to see in California, though. There is a beautiful landscape you have, but driving on the freeways and surface streets you see tons of trash everywhere. People throw trash outside of their car! That's a shame. Texas had the same problem 30 years ago, and the state created a marketing and ad campaign that got people thinking and made them stop the littering. The "Don't Mess With Texas" campaign has been a success, and the streets and highways are very clean. It's amazing to hear visitor's reactions. There should be some "Don't Mess with Cali" campaign. I think that residents would feel the pride and get moving to keep CA clean and beautiful.
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:07 AM
 
Location: FULCI LIVES!!!(but not in Indiana)
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Yeah, "Don't mess with Cali" and a big picture of Arnold pointing at the camera with his suit on, but also his face paint from Commando!! That would soooo rock!!!!
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