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Old 03-27-2016, 11:25 PM
 
Location: NY/LA
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I wonder when people say family friend and perfect do the main white. Hermosa Beach and Manhattan Beach are much white than Venice. So if you're looking for racial/ethnic diversity, and if you aren't white yourself you might not be so interested in living in Hermosa or Manhattan Beach for some rather obvious reasons.
I'm not white, but I would still consider Manhattan Beach to be more family-friendly than either Santa Monica or Venice. MB is far more residential than either Venice or Santa Monica, and housing is dominated by single family homes. Even the few multi-family units are restricted to three stories, so you don't have as much traffic or crowding as you do further north. All of that gives you a small-town feel, which combined with the lower crime rates makes it more "family-friendly" for us.
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Old 03-28-2016, 01:04 AM
 
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TBH.....your gonna be dissapointed for the rest of your life. If diversity is the answer...not too many places. Just be happy with what you have.
There are a lot of fairly diverse places in LA. Venice, Mar Vista, Culver City, Hollywood, etc.

Some people here automatically wipe diverse communities of their list, and I think at least some people are hiding behind "family" friendly (white kids should grow up in the wealthiest and the whitest communities possible).
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Old 03-28-2016, 01:10 AM
 
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I'm not white, but I would still consider Manhattan Beach to be more family-friendly than either Santa Monica or Venice. MB is far more residential than either Venice or Santa Monica, and housing is dominated by single family homes. Even the few multi-family units are restricted to three stories, so you don't have as much traffic or crowding as you do further north. All of that gives you a small-town feel, which combined with the lower crime rates makes it more "family-friendly" for us.
Oh but you have to worry about more than lower crime rates. Are your kids really welcome in those lily white schools? Are you really welcome in these areas socially and do you feel comfortable there?

I've had friends of all races and I would prefer to raise any children that I do have in the future in a more diverse neighborhood. I would chose Venice or Santa Monica.

That's my personal preference and I'm not declaring it the be all for everyone.

At the same time, the idea that some people want to separate themselves and move to what they KNOW is the whitest areas tells you what some people's priorities are.

Even the single family home issue cannot be separated from race. The percentage of white people who are single family home owners is higher than it is for other groups. I'm not saying people shouldn't live in single family homes, and I will buy one when I can afford one. But there needs to be an examination of what people really mean when they can't bare to see multiple unit homes.

And by the way there are non whites who hate to be around other non whites and who want to live in nearly all white areas.
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Old 03-28-2016, 08:22 AM
 
Location: New Orleans
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There are a lot of fairly diverse places in LA. Venice, Mar Vista, Culver City, Hollywood, etc.

Some people here automatically wipe diverse communities of their list, and I think at least some people are hiding behind "family" friendly (white kids should grow up in the wealthiest and the whitest communities possible).
It's not even about race at that point....Unless your the color green.
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Old 03-28-2016, 08:28 AM
 
Location: New Orleans
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Oh but you have to worry about more than lower crime rates. Are your kids really welcome in those lily white schools? Are you really welcome in these areas socially and do you feel comfortable there?

I've had friends of all races and I would prefer to raise any children that I do have in the future in a more diverse neighborhood. I would chose Venice or Santa Monica.

That's my personal preference and I'm not declaring it the be all for everyone.

At the same time, the idea that some people want to separate themselves and move to what they KNOW is the whitest areas tells you what some people's priorities are.

Even the single family home issue cannot be separated from race. The percentage of white people who are single family home owners is higher than it is for other groups. I'm not saying people shouldn't live in single family homes, and I will buy one when I can afford one. But there needs to be an examination of what people really mean when they can't bare to see multiple unit homes.

And by the way there are non whites who hate to be around other non whites and who want to live in nearly all white areas.
The rapper Cozz... Who's signed to Dreamville went to Mira Costa even though he's from South Central L.A.
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Old 03-28-2016, 10:52 AM
 
Location: NY/LA
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Oh but you have to worry about more than lower crime rates. Are your kids really welcome in those lily white schools? Are you really welcome in these areas socially and do you feel comfortable there?

I've had friends of all races and I would prefer to raise any children that I do have in the future in a more diverse neighborhood. I would chose Venice or Santa Monica.

That's my personal preference and I'm not declaring it the be all for everyone.

At the same time, the idea that some people want to separate themselves and move to what they KNOW is the whitest areas tells you what some people's priorities are.

Even the single family home issue cannot be separated from race. The percentage of white people who are single family home owners is higher than it is for other groups. I'm not saying people shouldn't live in single family homes, and I will buy one when I can afford one. But there needs to be an examination of what people really mean when they can't bare to see multiple unit homes.

And by the way there are non whites who hate to be around other non whites and who want to live in nearly all white areas.
I grew up in probably the most diverse place in the planet. Growing up and living in Queens since the 70s, lunchtime in our public school elementary school cafeteria looked like a meeting of the UN General Assembly. I probably appreciate the benefits of exposure to other cultures more than most people. However, I also remember walking past a blood-stained sidewalk on my way to school, my dad getting mugged in our own driveway, and my friends and I having close calls with local thugs pretty often, even those of my own race.

I'd rather deal with figuring out how to improve our kids' exposure to other ethnic and socioeconomic backgrounds than deal with the things my parents worried about. Lower crime rates are important to us.

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Old 03-28-2016, 12:34 PM
 
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I grew up in probably the most diverse place in the planet. Growing up and living in Queens since the 70s, lunchtime in our public school elementary school cafeteria looked like a meeting of the UN General Assembly. I probably appreciate the benefits of exposure to other cultures more than most people. However, I also remember walking past a blood-stained sidewalk on my way to school, my dad getting mugge
d in our own driveway, and my friends and I having close calls with local thugs pretty often, even those of my own race.

I'd rather deal with figuring out how to improve our kids' exposure to other ethnic and socioeconomic backgrounds than deal with the things my parents worried about. Lower crime rates are important to us.

I too am from NYC. I saw blood from where a man stabbed someone in MIDTOWN Manhattan! No place is totally free of the threat from violence. Also so called bad neighborhoods are that way for socioeconomic and political reasons. Lily white neighborhoods are good neighborhoods precisely because they don't let unwanted people in them, people who are denied access to employment, education, better housing opportunities, etc.

So if you're coming from that bad area of Queens, unless you went out and got a fantastic education (top schools) I very much doubt you'll be able to afford those nice white neighborhoods.

As for so called bad neighborhoods, there are other ways to improve them. Improved policing, improved relationships with the police, better access to jobs, investment from big companies in the form of jobs, etc. Look at all the areas in big cities formerly considered dumps and that are now hot places to live.
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Old 03-28-2016, 12:36 PM
 
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It's not even about race at that point....Unless your the color green.
Oh but it is. Of course while there are people of all races who are rich, we know the majority of wealthy people will be white. Moving to a really exclusive neighborhood means living in a neighborhood that is nearly all white.

It's family friend all right (white family friendly).
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Old 03-28-2016, 12:45 PM
 
Location: New Orleans
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Oh but it is. Of course while there are people of all races who are rich, we know the majority of wealthy people will be white. Moving to a really exclusive neighborhood means living in a neighborhood that is nearly all white.

It's family friend all right (white family friendly).
There are a ton of athletes that live in Manhattan Beach. It's actually probably the most popular destination besides cities in Florida & TX were Pro Athletes choose to purchase a home. I don't think the citizens of Manhattan Beach care what color you are, as long as you can afford it. Yes, most of those people are white.

Edit: Here is an article from 2008

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Old 03-28-2016, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica, CA
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I've seen some of the LA Kings down in Hermosa Beach. I know some of them own in Redondo Beach as well but probably in the nicer parts. Plus, they can afford to send their kids to private school. Diversity would be a distant third consideration if I were raising kids in LA. My first two concerns would be safety and a good education. The high school I went to in the Chicago suburbs was about 2/3 white and 1/3 black. Do I win some diversity contest for that?
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